Jimu news reporter Liu Ifeng
Correspondent Liu Dan
Wang Zhaopeng
Recently, the "Ancient Books Intelligence" series of seminars sponsored by the Center for Digital Humanities Research of Peking University and the Institute of Artificial Intelligence of Peking University was held at the Tencent conference and broadcast live on the Bilibili website, which attracted wide attention, and Professor Wang Zhaopeng served as the conference panelist.
Professor Wang Zhaopeng is the president of the Chinese Lexicology Research Association, and his new book "Xin Abandoned Disease Poetry Collection" has just been published by the Chongwen Bureau. Hubei readers are familiar with him, and it should be that he used big data analysis to rank Cui Hao's "Yellow Crane Tower" to the first place in the famous Tang poems.
When the reporter of Chutian Metropolis Daily Jimu Contacted and interviewed Professor Wang Zhaopeng, he had already been transferred to Sichuan University. From Hubei University to Wuhan University, to Central South Minzu University, and more recently to Sichuan University, Professor Wang Zhaopeng's academic journey is also a cultural journey.
Recently, Professor Wang Zhaopeng was interviewed by Jimu News.
Biography
Wang Zhaopeng is a Chair Professor of Liberal Arts and Doctoral Supervisor at the School of Literature and Journalism of Sichuan University. He was a Distinguished Professor of Luojia Distinguished Scholars of Wuhan University and a member of the Teaching Steering Committee of Chinese Disciplines of Colleges and Universities of the Ministry of Education. He is currently the president of the Chinese Lexicology Research Association, the president of the China Li Qingzhao Xin Abandoned Disease Society, the executive vice president of the Chinese Song Dynasty Literature Society, the president of the Jidai Literature Society of Hubei Province, and the editor-in-chief of the Song Dynasty Literature Research Yearbook. He mainly researched Tang and Song Dynasty literature and digital humanities, and presided over 2 major projects of the National Social Science Foundation. He has published more than ten monographs such as "Five Pronouns of the Whole Tang Dynasty", "History of Tang and Song Dynasties", and "Lexical Historiography", and published more than 300 academic papers.
Beautiful things cannot be measured by data, and this concept is narrow and closed
Reporter: All these years, you have been walking non-stop, and your study has also been walking non-stop. Which books do you have to carry in your study during your walk, or which books are your town home treasures?
Wang Zhaopeng: Books of original canonical and historical nature have always been carried with me. Original books, such as Su Shi Ci Ji Ji Wherever people go, books follow.
Reporter: You applied big data analysis to the study of Tang poetry, Song Ci and even ancient Chinese classics, so that these classics can also walk with contemporary readers at any time. When were you first applied big data to liberal arts research? What does the academic community think about this matter?
Wang Zhaopeng: Since 1992, I have applied big data to the study of Tang and Song poetry for 30 years. There are many supporters in the academic circles, but there are also those who do not recognize and do not understand. They don't recognize it because they insist that literature is aesthetic and that beautiful things can't be measured by data. In fact, this concept is relatively narrow and closed. Let me ask you: rhythmic gymnastics, figure skating, is both competitive and aesthetic, isn't it measured by scores when competing? Calligraphy and painting are pure artistic aesthetics, and doesn't the auction house use the price to measure its artistic value? Literary works are aesthetic and competitive, why can't they be measured by data? It's just that we still lack a standardized system of literary quantitative evaluation indicators and lack normative operations. If there is a standardized index system and normative operation, it is possible to quantitatively assess the value of literary works.
Cui Hao's "Yellow Crane Tower" ranked first in Tang poetry, which is the result of the arrangement of big data
Reporter: There are always people who say that Wen Wu is the first, Wu Wu is the second, and some people say that "Spring River Flower Moon Night" covers the whole Tang Dynasty in a lonely article. You ranked Cui Hao's "Yellow Crane Tower" first in Tang poetry, you must have heard a lot of different opinions, how do you convince them?
Wang Zhaopeng: First of all, let me clarify. In the "Tang Poetry Ranking" published by Zhonghua Bookstore in 2011, Cui Hao's "Yellow Crane Tower" was indeed ranked first in the famous Tang poems, but this is not my personal subjective arrangement, but the result of an objective big data arrangement. When I first got this result, I was also surprised and surprised. Why is the first tang poem cui hao's poem, not Li Bai's and Du Fu's? For me, the purpose of quantitatively analyzing the classic famous pieces of Tang poetry is to ask why these are classic famous pieces, what are the reasons for the formation of the classics, and what external communication factors are at play in addition to the artistic value of the works themselves? Which poem is first and which poem is second is not the most important, but it is important to explore the deep reasons why it can get the first and second places, so as to find the way and strategy for the dissemination of the classics.
Academic discussions, it is normal to have different opinions. I didn't think about convincing anyone. If it is a professional academic discussion, as long as it is inspiring and helpful to me, I will accept it. A lot of negative opinions, taken for granted, do not understand how I do The Tang Poetry Rankings and why I do the Rankings. Emotionally irrational opinions don't mean anything to me, so there's no need to respond.
When the "book of the housekeeper" is read thoroughly, it becomes the "book of the guardian of the family"
Reporter: Life is a grand tour. Your poetry map is refreshing, when did you start making poetry maps? Poetry map How many percent have you walked yourself?
Wang Zhaopeng: The poetry map was started in 2012, and it was a major bidding project of the National Social Science Foundation that I presided over, and the team of 100 people worked for five years to complete it. The main location on the poetry map, I was almost halfway through. In particular, I have walked most of the roads traveled by famous poets such as Su Shi, Xin Zhiyi, and Li Qingzhao.
Reporter: Can you give the children advice, where can they cut into the poetry map?
Wang Zhaopeng: If you want to give advice to primary and secondary school students, follow the poetry map to travel, you can first choose your favorite poet or lyricist, follow his itinerary to travel a few points, understand the local geographical environment and style. For example, Huangzhou was the peak of Su Shi's writing, and one-third of his words in his life were written in Huangzhou, and half of his famous lyrics were written in Huangzhou. It was Huangzhou who made Su Shi. You can go to Huangzhou to see Chibi, although there is a gap between the actual Chibi and the artistic Chibi in Su Shizi, but after all, it is created based on the Huangzhou Chibi. The feeling of being there is completely different.
Reporter: You are now a senior professor and can sit in the book city at any time. Could you please tell our young readers about how we should read in our time?
Wang Zhaopeng: We must not only read extensively, try to read as much as possible, but also read intensively, and read one or two books intensively. If you don't understand it or read it well, read it several times. For example, Marx's 1844 Manuscript on the Philosophy of Economics, which I read three times when I was a doctorate, sometimes read only one page in an afternoon, and understood and analyzed his method of thought word by word, paragraph by paragraph. After reading it for half a year, my brain was wide open. Professor Feng Tianyu of Wuhan University, a teacher when I was in graduate school, once said that to do research, you must intensively read one or two "books of the housekeeper". My experience is that we must thoroughly understand the content and method of thinking of the book that we have read intensively, turn the thinking method of the author of the original book into our own method of thinking, and finally do not distinguish between the author's method of thinking or his own method of thinking, just like Zhuang Biochemical Butterfly, it is not clear whether it is Butterfly Zhuangzi or Zhuangzi into Butterfly. When the "book of the caretaker" is read thoroughly, it becomes the "book of protecting the family" and becomes the book of self-reliance.