[Yao Haitao] Zi Yue: "I have not tasted nothing to do with myself." The new interpretation: Shu Shu, that is, shyness, a variety of delicacies; Confucius liked food very much, so he came with a variety of delicacies to teach, and there was nothing that was not taught.
—— The above new solution is purely a joke and cannot be taken seriously.
[Lin Guihao] Intuitively speaking, "self" is followed by a verb, doing something by itself, not by itself. This "bundle of arms" is not jerky, not food (engaging in dinner), there is a "revolutionary consciousness" of "only to teach", otherwise it is far away, otherwise it is inevitable to take the piano to sing, so order to listen to it... Many of han Confucian explanations may not be reliable, they go to Kong as far away, and they may not necessarily be rigorous.
"Self-restraint above I have not tasted no teachings" = "self-restraint above I have not tasted no teachings", "bundles = jerky ", after the conversion of the equivalent value of chapters and sentences, reflection and reflection, the expression is very strange. Language chapters and sentences ponder reasoning and introspection, reading ancient books is very important.
[Cao Jingnian] "walking bundles" is indeed very strange, and it is suspected that it is omitted from the usage, which is "above the self-restraint (zhi li)".
According to Liu Xiang's "Saying Garden" and other works, the bundle is a ritual. But not a dry meat gift, not necessarily, do not be superstitious.
[Yao Haitao] This time you believe Liu Xiang?
[Lin Guihao] Liu Xiang may not be all bad, Mencius may not be good, Xun is not necessarily really unwise, and the Horse Doctrine teaches that "everything is dialectical and two-sided", huh.
[Yao Haitao] "Li Ji Shaoyi": "It is given to people by multiplying pot wine, bundled with a dog, and if it is sacrificed, then the old wine is practiced to be fatal, also known as the pot of wine, the bundle, a dog." Is this "bundle" and the "bundle" of the Analects one thing?
[Lin Guihao] "Bundle of arms" is a ceremonial behavior, there is no doubt, what exactly is the behavior, to be carefully examined, difficult. Please see "Shuyuan Xiuwen":
Xia, Gong ru Qi rebel daughter, why book? Greetings also. What about etiquette? A: The princes add two to the two plus the two, and the grand master shu people use the two two plus the bundle to repair the second. "A widow of a certain country, a small prince, makes the widow worship the unsaidious, the unsaidished ass, the virginity of the lady." Madame said, "There is a property of humiliation in the secret room, and if you have not been taught by Fu Mother, you must undertake the matter of clothes, and dare not worship?" "Bye bye, bye bye bye." The lady was given one or two, and the lady was ordered to be a woman, and she was dressed in clothes: "To the past, the good deeds of uncles and aunts, take Shun as the palace room, no two hearts, no dare to return." ”...... The Great Master's scholar called his father: "The father of so-and-so, the teacher and friend of so-and-so, make him cling to the unsaided ass, the unsaided bundle of cultivation, and dare not pay homage to the virgin of a certain clan." Mother said: "If you have the property of grass and that you are not accustomed to weaving and spinning, you must obey the broom, and dare not worship?" ”
[Lin Guihao] According to the above statement, I speculate that the "bundle" is related to the finishing of the crown, if the belt? If the hairpin? After the extension is self-dressing? By extension self-restraint? I believe that my hypothesis is 80% correct, that is, the use of "the matter of clothing". "Unsaid no thief, unsaid no bouquet" and said, beauty wears the gift also.
The meat jerky gift says that the vulgar is impatient, and the grammar is not comprehensible, not Confucius. If the bundle is a belt or the like, the bundle represents the whole garment, and it also represents self-discipline, and the ancient Chinese is very natural. "Self-propelled jerky (bundle of meat)", the language is strange, Confucius is vulgar.
[Lin Guihao] "Salt and Iron Treatise on Rich and Poor": "Yu Jie's hair was tied up for thirteen years, fortunately Su Wei, and was given the position of Qing Dafu, and was blessed with more than sixty years." ”
——I now presume that the original meaning of "bundle" is 100% "the matter of holding clothes", which is not a bundle of clothes, that is, a bundle of hair, and has nothing to do with the dried meat of the tuition fee.
[Cao Jingnian] The "Bundle of Arms" in the Analects is either a full-dressed crown or represents an age group. The bundle of hair represents adulthood, is the pre-Qin fifteen-year-old hair bunch?
[Lin Guihao] "Bundle of arms" should have been a thing that held a belt, I don't know if the sages said so? I do not have Mr. Gao Shangyu's "Analects of Disambiguation" at hand to check, and some can be checked. Thinking about chapters and sentences and famous objects and ancient rituals, what exactly is the "bundle of hair", and the possibility of being a thing that is tied up is also very large, not necessarily just a thing that binds clothes.
[Feng Bing] Was pre-Qin fifteen years old and tied his hair--fifteen is determined to learn, a bit like ah.
[Lin Guihao] The little girl is fifteen bizhen, the aforementioned kissing ceremony in the shoes and bundles of even said, and then add bundles of words, the bundle of hair is also credible, I want to correct my own views. In short, the bundle = the bundle of clothes + the bundle of hair? Bundle = corset? Bundle = hair bunch?
However, the passage quoted above from the "Sayings of Yuan Xiuwen" also says that "the crown ceremony is nineteen to see the right and crown, and the ancient tongli is also", and the crown ceremony is a nineteen-year-old ceremony, not a fifteen-year-old adult ceremony; the "bundle" clothing gift when marrying is not necessarily a gift of the coming-of-age ceremony.
"Self-restraint", this "bundle" or extension. I have not tried to learn by repairing myself, and I know that this is what it means, not to collect dried bacon strips and Moutai wine. Re-examine the text, whether the "脩" has a rational meaning, then this mystery can be solved in chapter and sentence science.
[Ask Yongning] Contemptuous proverb "boy fifteen to fatherly affairs." Fifteen is adult, adult university. The master talks about college, so I am not as good as the old farmer, so there are villains and fan suye, so the gentleman is not instrumental.
[Zhou Qirong] There is no problem with the dried meat. I speculate that "shackles" should refer to the gift of worship, as a metaphor for the gift. But the worshipper must be an adult who has already performed the crowning ceremony. The crown ceremony must be tied with hair, and adults must learn to cultivate morality. The worship service is called "bundle of hair", which symbolizes the beginning of the adult stage of learning from the teacher. As long as he had performed the worship service to Confucius, Confucius would teach. And the worship necessarily includes gifts. "Bundle" refers to the gift (dried meat, according to Zheng Xuan's note) given to the teacher by the worshipper. The main purpose of the worship of the teacher is to cultivate oneself and become virtuous, so it was later extended to the cultivation of the covenant ceremony. The Book of the Later Han Dynasty: "And I have come from self-restraint, and I am not caught in disloyalty for the subjects of man, not in filial piety for the Son of Man, not in filial piety in surrender, not in filial piety in surrender, and from then on I am surrendered, and I am not ashamed to see the distant ancestors of the ancestors." Here," "since I have come," I mean the beginning of my karma.
[Cao Jingnian] Since the shackles, it means since adulthood, not since worshiping the teacher. Restraint means adulthood, and only after adulthood does it mean moral obligations and responsibilities. If Yun worships the master, the Han Dynasty Tong Meng also has a tong zi teacher, and the boy can be rude.
[Yao Haitao] Allow me to summarize it:
The meaning of "bundle of arms" is widely disputed: first, ten dried meat is said; second, over fifteen years old is said; third, the ancient ceremony of entering the school to worship the teacher (the ceremony of the shackle), the gift of the teacher, the tuition fee; fourth, the self-cultivation of the body. —— The first and second are all Zheng Xuanzhi's words.
[Lin Gui hazel] self-restraint that is, self-dried meat, but also more than ten, language barrier, this requires ancient art sensitivity. Fifteen years of age for more than fifteen years, ancient Chinese also do not understand, really.
[Yao Haitao] Zai zai body self-cultivation said:
Zhao Hua's "Saying The Word "Bundle" in the Analects of Shu Er: "Shu Shu Zi" in 2013 No. 9 and No. 5, 2014 respectively published "Shu Shu" is an age sign" and "Also say "Bundle" in the Analects shu er "self-bound above, I have not tasted the teachings" in the "Shu Er" is not dried meat, but an age sign, is the clothing of a 15-year-old teenager; the latter, according to the interpretation of the term "bundle" in the Chinese Dictionary, according to the two use cases in the Book of later Han, thinks that " The term "bundle" should be interpreted as "bundle self-cultivation".
[Yao Haitao] Agreed, the above is very reasonable. I still quote "Xunzi" to make it clear. Xun Zi said, "When you see goodness, you will cultivate it with self-preservation", and Yang Notes "Cultivate it, straighten out your appearance, and see goodness in your words and see yourself, so that you can exist in your body". "Cultivation" often forms the word "clean" with "jie", "Han Feizi" "The responsibility of the king, the non-dialectical wisdom is to cultivate the clean", the "Xunzi" Yun "gentlemen are in harmony with each other", Yang Zhu "絜 (clean), repair is also, it is not troublesome".
Therefore, the bundle of bundles has the meaning of constraints, and the repair of the bundles has the meaning of rectification, and the two words are listed equally, referring to self-restraint. If this is the case, "I have not been able to teach myself above the limit" = Anyone who has the ability to self-discipline, I Confucius will teach.
【Lin Guihao】 To greet relatives and marry, hair or clothes should be tied, which represents trimming and grooming yourself. As for the age, the later era may be possible, but it is impossible in the chapters and sentences of the Analects, and it is impossible for the Analects to be dry meat, because the language barrier is not possible.
[Cao Jingnian] Self-restraint cultivation above, most likely this meaning: all those who have performed the ritual of shuxiu are above the age. Shu Xiu refers to a certain ritual, and since this ritual is performed at a certain age, it also refers to age.
[Lin Guihao] "self", "line" characters are the key, chapter and sentence learning is the key. Etiquette, deeds, expressions are OK. Dry meat, age, no, expression can not, this ancient text does not make sense.
[Yao Haitao] "Self- is the key point, self-determination and engagement. "Five Dynasties of Shi Ping Dialect Jin History": "Select a large household with strength to fill the leader and manage the leader by yourself." "Today's bicycle, in a sense, is already his driving.
[Zhou Qirong] "Bundle of arms" had several meanings in the pre-Qin and Han dynasties. There are dried meat, adults, and worshippers, and different contexts determine which meaning is more reasonable.
"Gu Zhi Dafu, Shu Xiuzhi can't ask the truth", "Dafu said: "Yu Jie hair bundle thirteen years old, fortunately Su Wei, give things to the spokes", "Dafu Shuren with two two plus bundle two", the bundle in these three sentences can never be interpreted as an adult. Especially the second sentence.
The Analects: "Zi Yue: Self-restraint above, I have not been unsaid." There are two reasons why it is unreasonable to interpret the shackles of this sentence as an adult: (1) How to understand the "line" of being an adult or above? (2) Confucius said: As long as he is an adult, he teaches, then his disciples are not three thousand but adults of all lu countries, even all countries. Don't tire him out. Does that make sense?
Therefore, Confucius's meaning should be "I will teach students who worship the teacher above and give dried meat." Other people who give gifts but do not perform the worship service are not regarded as students, and since there is no teacher or student name, Confucius, who attaches great importance to the ceremony, naturally will not teach.
However, there are also students who will give other gifts in addition to the basic worship ceremony of "bondage". But not all students will do that. So he emphasized that as long as those who have performed the worship service are his students, he has a responsibility to teach them.
[Chen Yingnian] I agree with Teacher Zhou's teaching. Some traditional explanations, if there is no special evidence, are better maintained.
[Lin Guihao] studied and recalled Teacher Zhou's words, very thoughtful, made a contextual analysis, rigorous. From a philological point of view, the words bundle and 脩 should have nothing to do with the meat, whether it is dried meat or fresh meat, the relationship between the two should also be related. As for whether to bring meat strips as a courtesy in the Spring and Autumn Period, on the other hand, I have not studied it, and I dare not judge right from wrong, and of course, I am not superstitious about Han Confucianism. The original meaning of "bundle" should be the things and things of the type of clothing and shoes, which were later extended or borrowed, and there is a rhetorical expression context.
The overall usage of the "bundle" and its rheology, especially the usage and rheology of the post-Qin dynasty, need to be comprehensively examined in terms of words, chapters, sentences, famous objects, and systems, and a paper can be written to thoroughly investigate and clarify this issue. The truth of "bundle" is not necessarily unknowable, there are many materials, and it should be possible to reliably investigate the linguistic historical truth of the word "bundle".
[Lin Guihao] In addition, the costume of the bundle is not contradictory to a certain age, it coincides, and the bundle is like this when getting married; marriage also has to reach the age, not casually can be tied to marry. Dried meat is a courtesy, Confucius laughed, and the Analects of the Analects of "Bundled" is not this routine etiquette, not "incivility" is also said, but the sentence is strange and incomprehensible.
[Zhou Qirong] @ Lin Guihao First, "the word bundle and 脩 should have nothing to do with the meat book, regardless of the relationship between dry meat and fresh meat." This is nonsense regardless of the so-called chapter and sentence evidence you hang on the side of your mouth! Second, "the truth of the bundle is not necessarily unknowable, there are many materials, and it should be possible to reliably investigate the linguistic historical truth of the word "bundle"." With the first view, this is contradictory! "Linguistic historical truth" must be like a dictionary, a word or word accumulates several meanings! To interpret the text, the scholar must decide which is the most reasonable choice, either the original meaning or the extended meaning! "Self-restraint" cannot be determined by the original meaning, but by context and grammar! Even if "bundle" has the meaning of being used as a belt and clothes in the pre-Qin literature, it is unreasonable for the context to decide to choose this meaning! If, according to your so-called original interpretation, anyone who sorts out clothes/crowns will be accepted as a student and taught, how can Confucius live to seventy! Must die suddenly of overwork! At the same time, Confucius did not charge tuition fees and gifts, what did he live on? Eat the northwest wind! The "tuition fees" of Confucius students (gifts and support for various gifts) should be an important source of living expenses for Confucius after he became an official! Of course, the ritual is only a one-time gift, not a routine, and the symbolic significance of establishing a teacher-student relationship is greater than the actual economic significance! "Rowing" is not dry meat! It's a "shackle" gift! "Bundle of arms" is a metaphor for things! The "ritual" is also a metaphorical sacrifice! What's not to like? The original meaning of "ritual" is a sacrificial vessel, and when the word "ritual" is encountered in the pre-Qin literature, must it be interpreted as a sacrifice in the original meaning? Not necessarily!
[Lin Guihao] prove the relationship between the bundle of characters and meat to try, criticize others nonsense can be, but which is so easy. To find out the original meaning of a difficult word, the extended meaning (including the general false) and its derivative mechanism derivation law, is to open up the basic skills of the ancient book chapter sentence, chapter and sentence science is not so light, not to search the database statistics to list it, this level and method entry level only.
Even if "bundle" has the meaning of being used as a belt and clothes in pre-Qin literature, it is unreasonable to choose this meaning in context! If you interpret it according to your so-called original meaning, anyone who just sorts out clothes/crowns will be accepted as a student [I really don't understand Confucius's Chinese art], and if I teach it, How can Confucius live to seventy! Must die suddenly of overwork! Confucius also drove people to humiliate young people, what etiquette is not polite, also depends on the object, Confucius also put money and objects]
【Zhou Qirong】Teacher Lin first enumerated the meanings of the words "bundle and 脩" and the word "bundle"!
[Lin Guihao] The three major Lin Cha cha bar, not in hand, not listed. The bundle is definitely not the straw (soaked) when buying meat in the southern countryside before, and it is good to carry it home or send it to people, not hanging the meat strips to dry and dry the wax incense... Of course, if I guess it's really wrong, I must admit it, no doubt about it.
[Lin Guihao] The gift of the shackle = the gift of meat, not necessarily. And the thing that sends the bundle is a gift, but the word bundle is not equivalent to the omission of the gift of the bundle. I recruited two pigeons / more than 10,000 silver yuan as a doctoral student, can not be said to be a self-propelled pigeon / more than 10,000 yuan I recruited me dr. This Chinese expression is really quite strange, like a bribe code "research and research", excessive.
[Lin Guihao] Added: Confucius said that the original meaning of the bundle should be the thing of tidying up clothes, and then there is the meaning of picking up and tearing; if you can pick up more than yourself, (if you come to me for progress), I will point out and teach... The marginal, the one who keeps his distance, the hopeless, the one who flashes away, the one who takes the piano and sings, and makes it listen (blatantly humiliating)... Some of the students that Confucius received were also very polite and happy at the beginning, but in fact, they could not do things as people (Lu Yaozhi Perseverance also), Confucius was anxious to either scold or hit, and it was difficult to face the bad mood, and he almost did not agree to others to hand blade disciples.
It is very difficult to be a person, recruit students at the beginning of the other party's gentle and frugal (sneaky to pat the horse) but the back of the self-inflicted humiliation of the case, really a lot, it is so easy to know people, people who are not mobile to go from generation to world, it is easy not to love husband and wife and quarrel and beat people, but the worst can not be like I closed myself to han ah, unwise, unkind, unrighteous.
(Xunzi Gakuen2022.03.26-27)
Attached: A collection of interpretations of this sentence in the Analects of Disambiguation
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