What is the solution to the "body" of "Zhongyong" "body and cannot be left behind"? (continued)

The Solution of "Body Matter" of "Meanness" "Body Matter But Cannot Be Left Behind" (Sequel)

(Continued from the previous part below)

[Feng Bing] Yesterday you discussed the "body of the ghost god without leaving behind", I think it should be the meaning of "for the body of the thing", the whole sentence is to say that the ghost god has no image and no place, but it constitutes the body of the thing (not the physical body), which cannot be lost. Because there are no ghosts and gods (as far as people are concerned, ghosts and gods actually refer to the soul), ghosts and gods are the source of the life force of living bodies and the form of life activities.

[Cao Jingnian] The meaning of the word "body" is still not well understood, and more examples are needed. I wonder if the Second King of Gaoyou (Wang Niansun and Wang Yinzhi) has discussed this issue?

[Lin Guihao] There is no book around, it is not clear. It seems that "Dream of the Red Chamber" has the meaning of "body", sticking to it and being close to it. Ghosts and gods cannot get rid of them, and ghosts are everywhere, which is the virtue or ability of ghosts and gods to "be left behind by all things". This is not a metaphysical middle and lower school or some ontology, religious belief, or crazy love, it is spiritually easy to understand.

[Zhou Qirong] "Zhongyong": "The virtue of ghosts and gods is magnificent." See and see, hear and hear, and be physical and unsavable. "It can be understood that the ghosts and gods themselves have no shape, and with things as bodies, the body is based on things as bodies." The Tao, the Body, and the Body Can also be interpreted as such, a possible interpretation.

Ritual Instruments: "The Liturgy, the Jude." The body is not prepared, and the gentleman is not an adult. A gentleman takes etiquette as his body. "Li Ji Le Ji": "Li Le Wei Love Heaven and Earth, reach the virtue of the gods, and lower the gods of the upper and lower levels, and condensation is the body of the fine and coarse, leading the father and the son of the king." "Ghosts and gods take things as bodies, and they are meticulous and coarse.

[Lin Guihao] can be understood as the ghost god itself has no shape, with things as the body, and the body is the body with the object as the body. ——Taking things as the body, Teacher Zhou's solution to this mistake, the specifics do not argue, please Haihan.

The body has a body, so-and-so has a body, ghosts and gods and all things are ghosts and gods, if love is omnipresent, words are omnipresent, just like saying "the ghost is not scattered".

[Zhou Qirong] Teacher Zhou's solution to this mistake, the specific will not argue - Teacher Lin, too normal. When did I say I was right to you? I'm used to it, haha.

Teacher Zhou, Amitabha Buddha. Teacher Zhou also has a lot of things that I agree with, and there are records and photos, which cannot be erased and denigrated.

The "fine and coarse body" of the "Music Record" is about things, and the "Festival of Fathers and Sons" is about order, which is different from the grammatical part of the "body" of the "ghost god body and all things" in the "Zhongyong".

[Zhou Qirong] Zenza, Zenza. I forget and selectively remember.

[Zhou Qirong] "The body group is also a subject, and the sons and daughters are also." "Take the people as the body, and the common people as the children." Etiquette is known as the elderly and the youngest. "The virtue of the elder and the young is based on etiquette, and without etiquette, the order of the elder and the young cannot be reflected." "Body growth and young age" is the embodiment of the orderly virtue of longevity and childhood.

[Lin Guihao] Teacher Zhou's second example, if the spoken word "considerate" body, the verb "body" if close to the body, the body of the long and young is close to the line of the elder and young, the lizhi Deben is so, that is, the "Book of Music" is known as the ceremony to be different.

【Cao Jingnian】 Li Yi is old and young, and he is known as virtue. As if it should be broken. Teacher Lin should not involve modern Chinese.

[Lin Guihao] Many colloquial words are actually ancient meanings, do not exhaust the modern Chinese clouds.

【Cao Jingnian】Body, if the body is used in the usage method, the body is long and young, and the body is long and young?

[Lin Guihao] Etiquette should be long and young, if words and deeds are different, if the body is long and young, if the body is long and young, it is also ok to reflect and be considerate of the elder and young. In fact, there is no need for translation, and the body and the body are not difficult to speak. The great virtue of the ghost god or God is "all things that are untouchable" and does not require a vernacular translation.

[Zhou Qirong] "The Book of Rites": "The general body of all gifts, the body of heaven and earth, the fourth time of the Fa." "Take the heavens and the earth as the body, and take the four hours as the law." Xunzi: "The body of the Husband and the Taoist is always changing." "The Word is always as a body. Xunzi: "Knowing the observance, knowing the deeds, the practitioners also." "He who is physical, takes the Tao as his body."

Teacher Zhou's body theory may mislead philosophers into reinforcing the "ontology inherent in Chinese philosophy." In fact, Mencius's key point is the theory of moral conduct, and the key point of Xun is the pseudo-theory of morality, not the ontology of ontology, but the body of the verb "body". To operate and act is to be a body, a body of one's own body. According to Aristotle's metaphysical four-cause theory, few ancient Chinese philosophers are qualified, and they are all rotten.

[Zhou Qirong] How do you mess with any philosophical questions, and we are now discussing the issue of your chapters and verses. What we are discussing is the various meanings and usages of "body" in the pre-Qin literature, and do not implicate the philosophical problems that you hate. Let's analyze how the word "body" in the sentence I listed should be understood.

[Lin Gui hazel] The body of all things and the body of all things, there may be a distance. The fifth time in "Dream of the Red Chamber", "the Tao of affection", may not take the Tao as the emotional body. The reality of matter on the ontology of emotion, the ontology of the Tao≠ the physical condition of reality as theory, the body of the Tao, perhaps.

[Zhou Qirong] Master Lin, have you come back from the clouds to be reborn, become a philosopher, and attack ontology, not to talk about exegesis?

[Lin Guihao] I am clown skeptical, everything is doubtful, except for Yu Z seat.

[Liu Yiping] Only in the sentence "body of all things" and the sentence of "body of heaven and earth" is the "body of ... for the body". This should belong to the phenomenon of the use of nouns as verbs in Old Chinese. But in the future, the body as a verb, that is, the formation of the body, the body of knowledge, the body of the meaning, whether it also needs to be in the "... For the body" on the solution, it seems that it is not necessary. Therefore, as far as "The Mean" is concerned, it is enough to "observe" here. That's just the language.

If "taking all things as the body" is dissolved, it seems that it is also inconsistent with the pre-Qin ghost and god concept. At this time, when talking about ghosts and gods, we only say "omnipotent" and not "omnipresent." When the ghost god comes, it must be sacrificed with its sincerity, and the ghost god then feels the character, the so-called "sacrifice is like being there". Ghosts and gods do not take all things as bodies. Otherwise, today in the grass and trees, tomorrow in the rubble, tomorrow in the great-grandchildren, then the descendants do not know what to worship, and the order of all human society cannot be established. It's about ideas.

[Lin Guihao] Ghosts and gods come and go and Ben zai are two different things, sexual benevolence, righteousness, and goodness, and whether the heart feels sexual goodness or not, are two different things. We cannot deny that it is not there because it does not qualify for ghosts or goodness, which is also the true meaning of Confucianism. "Omnipotence - Omnipresence", that is, coming, that is, being, but the ghost god personality is behind the ghost god originally exists.

[Zhou Qirong] We can first discuss the concept of ghosts and gods in the Qin period. At that time, there was only one view of ghosts and gods, or were there many different views of ghosts and gods? Is Mozi's view of ghosts the same as Xunzi's?

[Liu Yiping] What I am relatively familiar with is "Etiquette", "Mozi" has not been involved, it is too lonely... I don't know if there is a difference.

[Zhou Qirong] We cannot assume that there is only one view of ghosts and gods, nor should we have the confidence to thoroughly study and understand the belief world of the pre-Qin people. Mozi criticized the Confucians for not believing in ghosts and gods.

[Liu Yiping] On the whole, I tend to think that the concept of ghosts and gods is the common law of the pre-Qin Dynasties, that is, a public concept handed down from the Yin Shang and Zhou Dynasties. But how to understand the ghosts and gods and settle the position of the ghosts and gods in this human world may be different. For example, whether to directly invite blessings to ghosts and gods, or to practice the right path and the ghosts and gods naturally bless them, I am afraid that there will be differences.

[Zhou Qirong] "Mozi" has "Ming Ghost Chapter", believing in heaven and ghost. "Mozi": "The holy king of the ancients, tomorrow the ghosts want, and avoid the hatred of the heavenly ghosts, in order to prosper the world's interests and eliminate the harm of the world." It is to lead all the people of the world to bathe in unison, to purify the wine and liquor, to sacrifice the heavenly ghosts. "Faith" has different degrees and cognition.

[Cao Jingnian] Confucianism should believe in ghosts and gods, and Mozi criticizes that Confucians do not believe in ghosts and gods have the function of rewarding good and punishing evil. Confucians are the most important sacrifices, can they not believe in ghosts and gods?

[Liu Yiping] I agree with Teacher Cao. Ghosts and gods are part of the Confucian faith, but they have moralized and rationalized them.

[Zhou Qirong] Contemporary science Changming, do anyone still believe in ghosts and gods? Of course, Confucians "believe" that there are ghosts and gods, but the attitude is to stay away from them.

[Liu Yiping] Respect, that is, to recognize its existence; far, that is, to recognize transcendence, the so-called heavenly way is far away, humane. Confucius's attitude of respect and prudence during sacrifices is well documented in detail in the Book of Rites and the Township Party. I do not agree with the understanding of "staying away" as shelving. I say from the standpoint of Song Xue and even Neo-Confucianism.

[Cao Jingnian] The ghost god is a ghost god, and it is not so tall, moral and transcendent and so on. When they are sacrificed, they just think that there will be ghosts to enjoy, and when they sacrifice to heaven, they can communicate with the heavens.

[Lin Guihao] Personally, I agree with Teacher Cao's understanding that ghosts and gods are simple and simple, do not understand philosophically, and the latter belongs to self-made wisdom. Having to create a whole bunch of philosophical truths is also a chisel of wisdom.

The pre-Qin, Qin, Han, and Confucians did not believe in ghosts and gods, and the three rituals and the "Book" and "Ode" were waste paper, and the stories of the "History" and "Book of Han" were also forgeries... On the issue of ghosts and gods, Confucius is more eccentric but not out of line, and Mozi criticizes Confucianism and is not heavenly. The Si Mengpai swung back under the stimulation of Mo Yang and the social world, and the XunQuan faction broke back under the clamor of the Si Mengpai, and this dialectical trick was very interesting.

[Liu Yiping] From the perspective of historical research, there is no problem in confirming the original meaning, and we must also see the subsequent theoretical development.

[Yao Haitao] Sorted out and understood the controversy, and the discussion has been relatively sufficient. As for whether "body" is a noun or a verb, the "body" person perceives and understands it, and I obey Liu Yiping's brother's theory. Its "Liu" (殳) is to hold the theory of "ping" in addition to the Miscellaneous, "Yi" in the Yuandian .

If you follow Xunzi, "good law and deeds, shi also; dedication and body, gentleman also", its "body" is also used for verbs. The body and the line are flat columns, which are for the sake of conclusivity.

[Liu Yiping] Thank you Brother Yao for the false reward.

[Lin Guihao] The word "body/body" specifically how to create words and create righteousness, there are no three major curses at hand, there is no way to investigate in depth, and there is still a state of chaos and ignorance. There is a "body" character in the "Jin Wen Bian", but it is not known whether the specific wording and usage and whether it is conclusively "body", and there is no information at hand.

A lot of ancient word usage or meaning, to trace back to the source of research, this is not the simple impression of "only ancient as the right" criticized by Teacher Zhou, nor can it be retrieved to list and classify things, after all, I don't know how the bottom of a word is, and even the same error in inductive classification (chapters and sentences with word misinterpretation)...

Just like the Chinese word "line", when it is understood that the oracle bone Mo writes the marching queue (it is a number of people in a neat and parallel manner, not a leg bone or a small shin or a crossroads, etc.), then the action, the rank, the right thing is easy to understand, Xun Guan defines the line and the Han Confucian still talk about the line, the talk is to do the right thing, this is the origin of the language, it can be understood through history.

It is simply divided into different generations and various book meanings, and it is not comprehensive to understand the ins and outs of the context (including clarifying the phenomenon of false/borrowed/false characters), or it is non-hermeneutics and philology of true cultivation.

A certain word through a certain, a certain training, talking about the strange and off-topic hermeneutic papers are many, many do not know the bottom of the tune, but seem to be erudite like a mountain, the head is the Tao, the ancient text is like the same.

[Cao Jingnian] Turn: As far as the "Notes on the Collection" is concerned, the "body object" of the ghost god is actually "the body of the thing", specifically the yin and yang two qi gathered into things, and finally the yin and yang two qi dispersed, then this thing is not there, this is from the composition theory of the generation and destruction of all things to understand the "body thing", popularly speaking, it is "ghost god = yin and yang two qi"...

——The above is another understanding of the online paper, the body is not a thing as a body, but the opposite, as a body of things.

[Lin Guihao] Han and Song Confucians are all called the transformation of yin and yang, and the metaphysics of yin and yang is like the five elements of "gold, wood, water, fire, and earth" sorcery. The "body object" sentence of "Zhongyong" was discussed at the beginning of the discussion, and Teacher Xie pointed out that it was a moving object structure, which should not be misread.

Appendix 1: "Etiquette and Fortune": "The deceased, the virtue of heaven and earth, the intersection of yin and yang, the meeting of ghosts and gods, and the beauty of the five elements." "Li Ji • Suburban Special Animal": "Xuan Crown Qi Ring, Ghost God Yin Yang also." Tang Shu: "The ghost god Yin and Yang are also, and the yin and yang are also husband and wife." Song Chen Chun's "Beixi Ziyi Scroll Ghost God": "... In fact, the two qi are only one qi ear, there is nothing in heaven and earth that does not have yin and yang, yin and yang are everywhere, then ghosts and gods are also omnipresent. ”

Appendix 2: Song Li Gongming's "Zhongyong": "We must understand the righteousness of zhongyong, and the zhongyong is yong." There is no need to seek a winning solution, only a miracle. Zhuo Zhuo's lonely peak, clearly in the grass. If the sound and color are discarded, the sound and color are blind and deaf. ”

- Zhang Taiyan believes that Zhuangzi Xunzi was the most knowledgeable in the pre-Qin period, and it should be noted that Zhang Madman is not crazy, worthy of a revolutionary and a small master of traditional Chinese studies, and the cattle are a mess.

[Zhou Qirong] Zhang Taiyan is a thinker.

(Xunzi Gakuen 2022.05.04, Sun Zuosheng finishing)