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[Yang Chunmei] Add a point: I recently read Dr. Zeng Weijie's magnum opus " Breaking the Temptation of Sexual Goodness - Re-exploring the Meaning and Value of Xunzi 's Theory of Sexual Evil " ( click on the summary link ) , which unfolded the "post-new Xunxue" approach, which I deeply agree with!
In particular, the book calls for "breaking the temptation of sexual goodness", breaking the valuable superstitions and obsessions that only "sexual goodness" is good in the past, facing up to the legitimacy of "sexual evil", and not avoiding "evil". To unravel the biggest entanglement and dead knot in xunxue research, this kind of "breaking" I think should be the first step that must be done.
[Lin Guihao] is either good or evil (sex & people), which is itself a discourse routine since the Han Dynasty, and it is necessary to return to the pre-Qin truth to break the historical narrative of the Han Dynasty. It is not to say that "the mind lotus blossoms" to admit that Xunzi's sexual evil theory is also very good / quite clever is the way out of Xun xue, this you and I can not break the value trap. "The eyes of the masses are shining", if Kant knows that the secular people are smarter than the scholars on ethical issues, you and I can't control how clever we are.
Human nature is either positive or negative, either one or the other, the traps of the predecessors, the tricks of the present, and the thought that philosophy is clever and the dead end is also the way. Either man is a ghost, not a man or a woman, either a positive number or a negative number, saying that the former is not necessarily wrong; even if the former is wrong, don't follow the mess with the wrong: either man is non-human, not a man is a non-man, not a positive number is a non-positive number, it is a qualified learning.
[Yang Chunmei] Why Xun Zi is a sexual evil theorist, why the evidence and logic of Junzhi's so-called sexual simplicity are not established, allow me to calmly discuss the text. My views are not necessarily correct, and when I write out the basis and argument of my opposition, I will ask everyone to criticize and correct them.
[Lin Guihao] Supplement: Teacher Yang Chunmei acknowledged the existence of the chapter and sentence of "Xunzi" on materiality and simplicity (click on the old text), so it is also possible to discuss how Xunzi discussed the historical truth of the "simple and rude literary theory (i.e., hypocrisy)" of human morality, goodness and evil attributes. If this is not recognized, of course, Xunzi's "sexual simplicity (× park)" or even Confucius Dongzi's discussion of the problem of "simplicity and uneducated (pseudo-addition)" cannot be discussed; if xunzi's basic definition of "(material) sexual pseudo-integration" and "simple (no good and evil)-good-evil" is not firmly determined, the coexistence and justification of "sexual simplicity-sexual ×" (× = 88 and above 64) cannot be discussed and discussed clearly.
On the issue of not studying the truth of the human nature of the ancients, but the issue of the good and evil viewed by today's human nature in general, my personal position is the same as the view that Teacher Yang replied to when reading the article "Lee Kuan Yew: Human Nature is Inherently Evil" a few days ago:
Abstract set, human nature is mixed with good and evil; moral consciousness is emphasized, and sexual good theory wins; social prevention is emphasized, and sexual evil theory wins. —— In fact, the best is the theory of sexual pseudo-cooperation on the material. In political science, we must talk about the selfishness of people, regulate them with reason and sound righteousness, and regulate and control society to tend to long-term peace and stability, that is, tend to "be in harmony with the good" as said by Xun.
[Lin Guihao] Le Aiguo: Agree with Professor Yang's point of view. Xun Xue's value is in his theory of sexual evil.
The teacher commented as above. There must be sexual goodness and sexual evil, and if there is a man, there must be a woman, and the observation of the world feels perfect, which has nothing to do with whether the debate is logical or not.
Prove that Han Confucianism may be confused and wrong, prove that Confucius's five elements are the five fortunes of the zodiac calendar (the number of heavenly calendars, non-Qin and Han dynasty sorcery gold wood water fire earth five materials of de yun yun than the zodiac alternate cycle of the heavenly way of heaven, heaven, water, fire and earth five materials name also), prove that Xun Situation speaks of material nature is simple and rude (no goodness), proves that Mencius thought has Yang Mo-style nature tianxin theory to absorb and integrate factors and its core is the spiritual theology of the heart of the heavens, which may be the blasphemy and offense that Engels said...
Denying the 2000-year conclusion of the Post-Qin Dynasty, it is the same as saying that Aristotle's law of falling body is pseudo and modern scientific research says that God is an illusion to conjure up the truth, incredible, I also feel dare not imagine, how there are pseudo-illusions, is it that the smart people in 2000 are wrong, just someone is not confused, unimaginable! Chairman Mao knew that he was not bold enough, President Hu said that his heart was not careful enough, and General Master Deng said not to be small feet... [For the later discussion, see also article 628 of this issue]
(Xunzi Gakuen 2022.03.27)
【Related Discussion】
Xun is both an economic man and a moral person, and it is possible to tell the son that good and evil are possible, and it is not annoying to know the xun situation. Xun Quan knows that the Teacher's FaLu and the Teacher's Legal Person must be both indoctrinated and legal, both are possible and necessary, and Dong Zi also followed Xun Quan's early remarks (including the theory of simplicity) and said it clearly. After the Qin and Han Dynasties, Wang Anshi and Dai Zhen were closer to Xun, and other ancient Confucians were more different.
Mencius said that morality is inherent, but also said that all lusts are sexual, although gentlemen are not the latter for sex, but laymen are all inherently sexual, so not only do gentlemen want to cultivate with a return to life (double cultivation of life), villains cannot control their own chaos (if they can't find the original, they can't see the nature of the heart, and practice the form to the Tao) but also have to be served by the law of etiquette and the rule of the monarchy... Mencius is as profound as the truth, philosophical perfection, all aspects are said, just different theoretical sets from Xun, more importantly, different temperaments, different feelings, thinking about the world and deductive construction - can not say that Jesus is the only Allah in the world, Buddha is not, Mohammed is not, Xun is not, Zhuangzi is not, the galaxy is not, all roads lead to Rome, see the gods.
(Lin Guihao 2022.03.24)