Group of Mr.| Wang Chong saw "Xunzi" is Liu Xiangxiao's book?

[Lin Guihao] Learning only asks dry goods, only recognizes "true knowledge" or "true righteousness", those virtual things, maybe people are not dead, they are short-lived, and they are not good, and the pattern is small.

[Lin Guihao] Many of the words in the Book of Mengzi are the ideological discourses of Mencius after he has gained the sense of being prepared and cultivated the Tao, and they also speak of the facts, spiritual truths, and true knowledge of the world that he has attained to the high level of the Dao. If he wants to save the people of the world, he can only preach on the Tao, on the Tao, on the morality, on the people's hearts, on the civilization of man and beast, and preach well, and he can talk about it well, and if he does not understand or agree with gongsun ugly, he will not be wrong!

Although Xunzi was also a god who was self-righteous, he mainly talked about the world facts of ordinary life and the right and wrong actions of the ordinary layman's order, so he thought that Mencius was too high-profile and too late, accusing Mencius of referring to habit as sex and recognizing hypocrisy as the basis, so a large number of Mencius's theories of sexual goodness and the five elements theory. Xun Quan also spoke well and well, and the other faction did not approve or appreciate it!

Mencius talked about dedication to knowledge and practice metaphysics, and the god Xunzi talked about pseudo-accumulation (habit) and practice (habit), and at the peak of cultivation and enlightenment, Meng Xun did not have any substantive difference or hostility. But these "Ways" are in the world of the masses, is he gifted or is he a forgery? And is the "Tao" in Guangfu Zhang Daben or is it thinking about the accumulation of creation? This is the difference between position and thinking, and each speech is self-respecting, or there is no negotiation.

In the general observation of the meat man, in fact, many people will more agree with the so-called material rudeness of Xun Xun and do not care about moral immorality (good or bad). But in the eyes of the enlightened or the re-enlightened, this is a dangerous statement of ignorance, ignorance, and abandonment of the error of the original. Therefore, the Monpai accuse Xunzi of being ignorant and superficial, and the Xunpai accuse Mengzi of being ignorant and contrived. To speak of civilization as the main theory of the nature of nature, and to speak of civilization as a scholarly theory of doing, is to blossom two branches of flowers and one branch of each table, such as the competition for beauty, the purple and the red, and the good looks!

[Zhou Qirong] @ Lin Guihao "Of course, at the end of the Western Han Dynasty, Liu Xiang's team presided over the proofreading of the Jian library of the King's Book, and he can also see that the warring states and the Western Han Dynasty book are not successful?" This is an inference! A not very reasonable inference! Even if Wang Chong could see Liu Xiang's book, there was no reason to think that there were no other copies of Xunzi outside the royal family! Has anyone done the circulation history of the two Han folk books? A large number of excavated pre-Qin documents prove that the situation of texts circulating in the local area is not recorded in the history! Inferences can be, but they cannot be regarded as inevitable facts! You collect so many books from 49 years ago, after the "book burning" in the interval, why can you still collect so many? We can infer that it is possible that Wang Chong could see other versions of Xunzi, including western Han or even earlier manuscripts! Unless Liu Xiang wrote the school, the other manuscripts were destroyed, and the imperial court did not allow the circulation of other Xunzi manuscripts! Are these things happening? Even if there is, it does not prove the inevitability of your inference. Qin burned books, didn't there still be many relics in the early Han Dynasty?

[Lin Guihao] @ Zhou Qirong agreed, of course, reasoning. But it doesn't have to be absolutely not, and it doesn't have to be absolutely. Wang Chong is not a son of a high-ranking official and aristocratic family, his family has a Warring States book written by zhuzi, more than Dong Zi read more ancient books before the Han Dynasty, it is unlikely and unimaginable.

Wang Chong went to Luoyang to study and read books, which should be Liu Ben's "Xunzi". Note that Liu Xiangqian has a lot of Xunshu books, many years old, very tattered, so he compiled the Jian again, and it was used in the Han Li writing style of the time (some of the scriptures also use ancient texts), note that this is an era of great turning points in writing style, not that ordinary people know the Warring States script, it is not so easy.

What Wang Chong saw, when it was the present text, the new writing style, not the ancient text, he did not have that condition, not only did he not easily understand the Warring States Jane, but also when Wang Chong arrived, the pre-Qin Jane was also damaged to what extent, and he could still archaeologize in the national treasury? Or buy antiques like collecting ancient books? In the era of the turning point of the text, do not imagine that the average person can easily copy the Warring States Jane, which requires professional ability, Wang Chong may not have this ability, and the bamboo book market he is in contact with may not have it.

As for the Warring States Jian to Liu Xiang when han lijian was brief, the phenomenon of missing words in the rotten janes left behind by it existed, for example, the "Original Material" section of the "Treatise on Etiquette" was the "Sexual Evil" section was wrong, and the "Sexual Evil" section about wisdom and courage was originally his entry, which is not difficult to identify, and after 20 years of cultivation in the ancient Books of qin and Han, you can realize it. Of course, these two places were confused before Liu Ben, or after Liu Ben was confused (such as before the Han Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty), it is difficult to say, in principle, it is more like the ancient Book confusion and Liu Tuan's lack of appreciation.

Liu Xiangshi's school book is simplified, an important task is to use the new type of national standard font on the characters, can no longer be the Warring States script to follow (some except for some), why the subsequent prosperity of classics, the development of philology and exegesis, the evolution of writing, we must be clear about this historical situation. Can't take it for granted, how simple it is to copy books, how simple it is to read ancient texts, there is no such thing, Ma Rong Zhengxuan is not like we can become a vegetarian, no matter what!

Many of us today have a high school level of ancient literature, such as high school students, just think of the breakthrough of ancient literature, the great creation of Confucianism, the inheritance of the past, a generation of masters, I see that the mirror is more, half crazy.

Take a piece of unearthed Han Jane, I can guess fifty or sixty percent; take a Piece of Warring States Jane, I can't read it, I can't know one or two percent, Mr. Qiu Xigui should be able to eighty or ninety percent, but he will also read it wrong, it's so cruel.

【Zhou Qirong】@Lin Guihao What you deduce may be the truth, but it may not be! You said: "Wang Chong went to Luoyang of the Empire to study and read books, it should be Liu Ben's "Xunzi" [not necessarily, it may also be other Han Li ben]. Note that Liu Xiangqian has a lot of Xunshu books, many years old, very tattered, [not necessarily, the reason is raised below] so he compiled the Jian again, and it is used in the Han Li writing style of the time (some of the scriptures also use ancient texts), note that this is an era of great turning points in the writing style, not that most people know the Warring States script, not so easy. [Although fewer and fewer people understand ancient Chinese, it cannot be assumed that Wang Chong does not understand the ancient texts of the Six Kingdoms]

What Wang Chong saw was that when it was a modern text, a new writing style book, not an ancient text [not necessarily], he did not have that condition [what reason?] Not only did he not easily understand the Warring States Jane, but also when Wang Chong arrived, the Pre-Qin Jane was also damaged to the point, [It is possible, but the Preservation of The Jian Mu is better than the paper, and it cannot be assumed that this is the case! In addition, after the abolition of the ban on books in the early Han Dynasty, the old Jian Mu can be copied and circulated in a new way, can he still archaeologize in the national treasury? Or buy antiques like collecting ancient books? [In the Han Dynasty, Chang'an and Luoyang all had centralized trading of books, and Liu Liang, a ruined sect, relied on books in sellers to survive!] It cannot be ruled out that everyone has no Warring States ancient books flowing to the book market! In the era of the turning point of the text, do not imagine that the average person can easily copy the Warring States Jane, which requires professional ability, Wang Chong may not have this ability, [not necessarily!] The bamboo book market he came into contact with may not exist. "Isn't the bamboo jane unearthed now a fake?] Aren't there scholars such as Cheng Zuming and Li Jian who suspect that Qinghua Jian is a fake? After two thousand years, there are high-ranking people who can be fake, what reason is there to assume that no one in the Two Han Dynasties could copy, forge, and identify the pre-Warring States Jian Mu? So all you're proposing is inference, which can be true or may not be! Not a foregone conclusion! Rigorous scholars need to know which points of view are just inferences and which are based on reliable documentary or historical evidence! Can't mix without dividing!

[Lin Guirong] The family is poor and has no books, often travels to Luoyang City, reads the books sold, and can recite at first sight - Wang Chong looks at the current text is not an ancient text, the ancient text he can "recite at first sight", even if Mr. Qiu Xigui has a super good recording memory with a brain hard disk, he can't read it in one breath at a time, just as easy as middle school students read primary school texts, it should not be so. Everything should be considered reasonablely, and of course, special cases are not absolutely excluded. The difference between the Warring States Confucian debate on "good and bad nature" is, first of all, reasonable, not a special case, a return to historical common sense, not a special case of creating history. Taking han Confucian "sexual goodness and evil" and "five elements of gold, wood, water, fire and earth" to imagine that the pre-Qin must also be such a theory of human nature and the five elements, which is also contrary to the historical reason and common sense of life at that time.