Toyota Honda has technical problems, Geely and BYD DM-i are not wrong?

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Under the full oil and electricity, geely Emgrand L's latest hybrid energy range of 1300 kilometers, Japanese hybrid is really abused?

Editor/Hongzu Hu said

The hybrid version of emgrand L, after less than 5 months, was finally brought to market. Among them, there was not much heavy publicity, but at the end of 2021, it was exposed by the media, and then a wave of media warm-up was carried out in April, and it was quickly released. During this time, Geely put more emphasis on the SUV, and Hoshigoku L took Thor Hybrid to the market, and it sold quite well.

However, you know, where a good car is divided into an SUV or a sedan. Here BYD's Qin PLUS DM-i rushed into the nest of joint venture cars in terms of sales, selling 194,200 vehicles, which is better than Volkswagen Sagittarius, Toyota Leiling, Buick Yinglang, etc., and selling better. Of course, how to do SUV or car, car companies also have their own ideas, basically synchronous to do. After the Star Yue L has a new technology, the Emgrand L at the car level also uses hybrid, and what is better than the three-speed DHT oil-electric hybrid of the Star More L is that it is PHEV technology and can also enjoy the limited license purchase policy in many regions.

Of course, with its release, the next topic is naturally, this new technology, compared to Japan and BYD, what are the benefits, what are the differences, and whether it should be bought and whether it can be blown up.

Look at the parameters? Geely's new hybrid technology is very strong

Now new energy is getting hotter and hotter, the number of ownership has exceeded 10 million units, so I do not need to start science, in short, consumers want to buy such cars, the focus is:

1. Is this car on the market expensive?

2. How much pure electric battery life is in this car, in the same price, is high or low;

3. The pure electric endurance in the battery of this car will not be used up, after use, the power meat is not meat, after all, the previous two generations of BYD DM have this big problem;

4. Is it fuel efficient enough? Especially after the battery reaches a low charge, is it still fuel efficient?

5. The technology is new enough, but can it be as durable as a traditional oil car?

On these few questions, we can expand the Emgrand L hybrid new car, in the end for the Japanese system and BYD, who is better.

Is it expensive? Not expensive. After the subsidy of 129,800, it is basically at the same level as BYD Qin PLUS DM-i, and then in terms of configuration, it performs better. Because, intelligently, Geely has its own Galaxy OS system, and BYD's level is relatively poor. Overall, the price range before the subsidy is 13.46-15.06 million, and after the subsidy, it is 129,800-14.58 million, which is slightly more expensive than the Toyota/Honda equivalent, but the configuration is obviously much higher. Combined with the PHEV exemption clause for the upper limit of the city, it is really worth it.

Pure electric endurance, 103 km, more than 100 km. At the same price, it belongs to the middle and upper level. The entry-level version of BYD Qin PLUS DM-i is 55 kilometers, and the high-end version is 120 kilometers, and the difference between the two is more than 20,000 yuan. Toyota / Honda's same price point hybrid, pure electric endurance basically nothing to say, are small capacity batteries, in the operation of the process is to assist the internal combustion engine work of the excessive effect, as for the recent launch of nissan e-power is also this meaning, its battery has a "flash charge flash release" capability, and there is no pure electric long endurance.

Pure electric endurance, will not be used up. PHEV hybrid technology, in China has been developed for more than 10 years, the first 2 generations are basically in accordance with the Toyota THS thinking, but because there is a larger capacity of the battery, can support the motor for a long time, so in recent years in the new PHEV, pure electric endurance has been set to protect the value. When the minimum value is reached, the engine performs different logic in operation. Emgrand L's new hybrid is not expected to have a corresponding problem, because its predecessor ePro, in the previous test drive in Hainan, has been able to reach the feed fuel consumption of less than 5L/100 km, the performance is good, so the problem is not big.

Fuel efficient enough? The comprehensive fuel consumption of 100 kilometers after the feed is 3.8L/100 kilometers, and the relevant data of BYD Qin PLUS DM-i is also 3.8L/100 kilometers. The significance of this set of data is that even with a large battery, the weight of the car has become larger, but the logic tuning is good enough, it is more fuel-efficient than the Japanese hybrid, such as the performance of the Leiling double engine is NEDC 4L/100 km, WLTC 4.36L/100 km; for example, the honda Lingpai hybrid is NEDC 4L/100 km, WLTC 4.8L/100 km.

Judging from the above achievements, China's hybrid technology, cost control is good, the advanced nature of technical indicators is also good, fuel consumption is low enough, the endurance is long enough, and the cost of use is low enough. The price of the car is basically the same as that of the joint venture car, but if you refer to the configuration, you will find that this is obviously higher than the Toyota/Honda.

So, is the technology new enough, but can it be as durable as a conventional oil car? This topic is the key point for Geely to overturn the joint venture.

From a technical point of view, look at the ability of Geely's new hybrid

In various press releases, you will meet Emgrand L Thor Hi · X's various parameters, but if you don't touch the real car, you will most likely not get to where its technical characteristics are strong.

Look at the central control area, look at the driving function selection and adjustment in the big screen, and then look at the functional area around the block area. You will find the difference between Geely's technology and BYD or others.

The difference is that Geely has created a set of intelligent driving systems and integrated different driving modes, so you can't find a separate EV mode on/off button, and you can't find the button that can lock the power on many PHEV models before, naturally, there is no button to force the engine to charge the battery.

In the official information of Geely, Emgrand L Thor Hi · X has 20 driving modes, the whole car can also support FOTA upgrades, and the driving system can also be upgraded by OTA. However, the driving mode is an intelligent integration mode, everything is left to the vehicle to deal with, and the driver cannot intervene and intervene too much. Everything has advantages and disadvantages, this is naturally a novice driver or a driver who does not have a high perception of the car, just hang up the gear and step on the accelerator to drive, get home or have conditions, and then carry out a slow charge, everything is OK.

The point that needs to be looked at directly is that Geely has made the intelligent integration of the driving mode itself, and left a software-level opening (FOTA upgrade), which depends on how complete it is. If, very smart, almost no bugs or bugs are quickly fixed, it will not affect word of mouth, sales.

As for the unfolding of this topic, there are some doubts about the future. At present, the sales volume of Japanese hybrids in the Chinese market is getting better and better, and in view of its development for many years, it is relatively mature, but it still has its own quality stability topic. Not long ago, Toyota recalled many hybrid models in the global field, which are related to the increase in oil and body stability control systems.

BYD's current DM-i technology has also been verified at the quality level while being introduced to the market to harvest high sales.

For example, ev functionality is limited. The engine reported a fault code, and the cruise control failed. After the ev function is limited, the power drops rapidly, and even the power is forced to be saved; as well as other problems such as app and dashboard display.

Of course, this is not a big problem, BYD is also undergoing rapid optimization iteration, otherwise such a high sales volume, it has long changed in terms of word of mouth and momentum.

Geely Emgrand L Hi · The problem that X Thor hybrid has to face is naturally the same. For example, on geely's previous ePro technology models, many car owners have reacted to a short waiting period when stepping on the accelerator pedal on the mid-speed. Speed between 80-100km/h, after stepping on the throttle, there will be a state of no acceleration or even sudden pulling, and after 2-3 seconds, the power is completed.

In fact, in geely ePro technology, it is the strategy of using driving mode intelligence integration and matching accuracy maps, while in the new technology used by Emgrand L, the number of driving mode integrations is more, which needs to be further verified by users after purchase.

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Seeing this, the topic that everyone is most concerned about is naturally whether Geely can buy it, and can Geely and BYD be better than Toyota/Honda.

The short-term answer is that it is not very clear, but there can be expectations. The medium- and long-term answer is, basically, nailed down.

In the short term, we can look forward to it, because the current Chinese car companies are relatively generous, and the quality assurance policy is prepared enough. Geely's listing this time gives the first owner a lifetime three-electric warranty + 6/150,000 kilometers of vehicle warranty, and BYD DM-i also gives the first owner a lifetime policy on the three-electric warranty.

Therefore, if you want to try it, the cost is not high, and the corresponding protection is basically in place.

In the medium and long term, in the one acre and three points of the Chinese market, as long as there is still an exemption policy in various places, then this PHEV technology model is to have a greater advantage than HEV oil-electric hybrid. In addition, for commuters in small and medium-sized cities, this model with a pure electric endurance of 100 kilometers has long been used by many people "only use electricity, no use / less oil" for several years, and the ability to save money has been verified.

So, in the final analysis, Geely's new set of technologies, as long as it is at an intermediate level in terms of stability, and keeps up with rapid iteration, then all of this is actually not a problem.