Of course, Hong Chengzuo is a traitor, but I think Fan Wencheng is not a traitor. Both people are Han Chinese, both are selling their lives to the Qing Dynasty, why is one a traitor and the other is not?
Hong Chengzu was originally the governor of Jiliao in the Ming Dynasty, and he grasped the military and political power.
However, after his defeat, he betrayed the Ming Dynasty and surrendered to the Qing Dynasty. Not only that, but in order to unify the world in the Qing Dynasty, he also recruited a large number of Ming officials from the south.
Although Fan Wencheng was also a Han Chinese, he did not work for the Ming Dynasty for a day, so we cannot say that Fan Wencheng was a traitor.
As soon as he came out of the mountain, he contributed to Nurhaci, so he was a loyal vassal of the Qing Dynasty from beginning to end.
Hong Chengyu was a good hand at fighting the rebel army, but he was very incompetent against the Qing army.
Hong Chengzuo was a scholar, but like many Ming Dynasty civil officials, he was prominently known as a military general. The most important reason why Hong Chengyu was able to become a famous general was that he was very capable of dealing with the rebel army.
In the second year of Chongzhen, Hong Chengzu sent troops as a politician to defeat the rebel army besieging Hancheng, killing more than 300 people
Therefore, he gradually became a famous general of the Ming Dynasty.
In the third year of Chongzhen, Hong Chengzu became the governor of Yansui, openly opposed the policy of his superior Yang He's appeasement, and adopted a harsh suppression attitude towards the rebel army.
He killed tens of thousands of his descendants. Because he knew very well that zhang Xianzhong was a capricious villain, constantly surrendering to the Ming Dynasty and constantly betraying the Ming Dynasty.
In the fourth year of Chongzhen, Hong Chengzu became the governor of Shaanxi on the three sides, and adopted a policy of all-out suppression of the rebel army
Concentrated forces against the peasant rebels in shaanxi.
In the fifth year of Chongzhen, Hong Chengyu personally rushed to Qingyang to command the battle, and fought dozens of battles with the peasant army in Western Australia.
In the end, the leader of the peasant army, Ke Tianfei, was beheaded, and Bai Guang'en announced his surrender.
In the sixth year of Chongzhen, Hong Chengzu led a large army to follow the mobile rebel army.
Successively defeated Gao Yingxiang's troops at Places such as Qishan and Zhuxian Town.
In the seventh year of Chongzhen, Hong Chengyu plus prince Taibao, Bingbu Shangshu title, viceroy of the five provinces of military affairs,
He finally became the chief commander of the Ming Dynasty's encirclement and suppression of the peasant army.
In the eighth year of Chongzhen, Hong Chengzu led his troops out of Tongguan and assembled the princes in Xinyang, Henan, intending to launch a final encirclement and suppression of the rebel army.
As a result, the rebel army was forced to flee in all directions, forcing Zhang Xianzhong to plunder Fengxiang and make peace with Gao Yingxiang.
In the eleventh year of Chongzhen, Hong Chengzu cooperated with Sun Chuanting to attack Li Zicheng's army, and Zhang Xianzhong was defeated by Zuo Liangyu. The following year, Hong Chengyu even completely eliminated Li Zicheng's clique, and Li Zicheng fled into the mountains with only 18 people.
Judging from These achievements of Hong Chengzuo, he was definitely a good hand against the peasant army, but when dealing with the Manchu Qing army, Hong Chengzu fell into a low point in his life.
Undertaking the domain and winning battles repeatedly. Zicheng also took Tong Pass, and chengzu made the general Cao Changjiao set up an ambush to invite him to attack, and he was defeated and rode away to Shangluo with eighteen horses. The thief in The Gate is exhausted. It is three years of age for Chongde. --- Draft History of the Qing Dynasty
After the peasant army was basically pacified, Hong Chengzu shouldered the heavy responsibility of fighting against the Manchu Qing, and if he defeated the Manchu Qing again, then Hong Chengzu would become the only hero of the Ming Dynasty, but unfortunately he did not have such a good life.
In the process of fighting the Qing army, Hong Chengzu led 130,000 horses and horses to fight with Huang Taiji in Jinzhou, and eventually Hong Chengzu was cut off from the grain route, defeated and captured, and more than 100,000 troops were completely destroyed. This is fate.
Hong Chengyu could not resist the temptation and became a traitor through and through.
The reason for the existence of any dynasty, that time was indeed the most powerful time for the Manchu Qing, and it was also the family that could seize the world, the Ming Dynasty was a mess inside, although there were also struggles within the Qing Dynasty, but for the sake of the overall situation, everyone could tolerate it.
After Hong Chengzuo was arrested, Huang Taiji knew about this talent, so under the advice of Fan Wencheng and others, he hoped to recruit Hong Chengzuo, but was rejected by Hong Chengzuo.
But Fan Wencheng took a look and knew that Hong Chengzuo, who had been on hunger strike for a few days, would not choose to commit suicide.
Because he even had to clean up a little wrinkle in his clothes, how could he be willing to die? Soon after, Emperor Taiji dispatched his concubine Zhuang to talk to Hong Chengzuo for many days, and finally persuaded Hong Chengzu to surrender.
After becoming an official of the Qing Dynasty, Hong Chengzu worked very hard. Although the Qing Dynasty did not give him military power, it also made him an ambassador, which was also an important position.
For this reason, since The Entry of Dorgon,
Hong Chengzuo has been trying to find ways to recruit all kinds of Han officials, and he can't just be a traitor, or he will be particularly conspicuous when he bears the insult in the future. So he thought of various ways to persuade the Ming officials to join him in committing traitors.
Jie Cao was really nothing at all, but even so, he still failed to exchange the real trust of the Qing Dynasty. After all, this person is too powerful, so giving him military power is to leave hidden dangers.
Fan Wencheng was a loyal minister of the Qing Dynasty.
Fan Wencheng's origin is still relatively cattle, and it is said that he is the seventeenth grandson of Fan Zhongyan. Fan Wencheng read poetry since childhood, and was admitted to Xiucai during the Wanli Years, when he was 18 years old.
Unfortunately, at this time, Hou Jin, under the leadership of Nurhaci, had already captured Fushun. Fan Wencheng thought that Nurhaci was a hero, so he took the initiative to go to see Nurhaci.
In the third year of the Mandate of Heaven, Taizu both fushun and Wencheng and Wencheng jointly praised Taizu. Taizu Wei Wencheng, with yu, instrument, known as the great-grandson of Shu, Gu said of Zhu Belle: "This famous subject is also good to meet!" "Shangfa Ming, Liaoyang, Du Sancha attacked Xiping, lower Guangning, and Wencheng were all in the middle of the line." --- Draft History of the Qing Dynasty
Therefore, we will find that Fan Wencheng never worked for the Ming Dynasty, and he was a Manchu Qing person as soon as he debuted. Nurhaci did not read much, and he had great respect for people with knowledge, so Fan Wencheng stayed.
In the period of Emperor Taiji, Fan Wencheng was still deeply valued, and repeatedly discussed with Emperor Taiji about capturing the Ming Dynasty, whether it was attacking Korea or stabilizing Mongolia, there was Fan Wencheng's shadow.
After the Manchu Qing Dynasty entered the customs, Fan Wencheng became the head of the hundred officials, and most of the systems of the Qing Dynasty were formulated by Fan Wencheng, so Fan Wencheng was a loyal minister of the Qing Dynasty.
We can't say that he is a Han Chinese, working for the Manchus, then he is a traitor. This is anachronistic statement. The first company people go to is a foreign company, so have they all become traitors?
Summary: The Ming Dynasty is already rotten, but the Qing Dynasty is just in time.
In fact, in that era, we will find that the Ming Dynasty was really rotten, whether it was the Ming Dynasty clans occupying most of the national resources, or the Serious Situation of Party Struggle in the Ming Dynasty, which made the Ming Dynasty full of holes.
But the Qing Dynasty was just right at that time, like a seventeen or eighteen-year-old young man, so we can't think that everything in the Qing Dynasty is bad, and everything in the Ming Dynasty is good.
This is relative and needs to be looked at dialectically. Therefore, Fan Wencheng worked for the Qing Dynasty, which is understandable. But Hong Chengyu was not right, Chongzhen gave him a high-ranking official Houlu, gave him military and political power, but unfortunately he still betrayed the Ming Dynasty, which is a bit unreasonable.
References: Draft History of the Qing Dynasty, History of the Ming Dynasty.