How big can the contrast between the inside and outside of an actor's play be?
In the movie, Shibata is a habitual offender who "leads the sheep". When interrogated by the police, he could only helplessly say: "I have nothing else to teach my children except stealing." ”
But outside the play, Nakagawa masa is not only an excellent actor, he is also a novelist, columnist, picture book writer, illustrator, art director, songwriter, planner, radio navigator, photographer, etc., with different identities and titles, transcending barriers in different fields and active in it.
As a versatile "old artist", in front of the media, he was dressed in black but he was really like a "sweeping monk" who did not show the mountains and water, and showed the "Buddhist" Zen meaning between his hands and feet.
This time, Nakagawa also came to Beijing with her new work "Thief Family" to meet with Chinese audiences. He said incredibly: "There are 328 theaters in Japan, but this number has reached more than 7,000 in China, which is really unimaginable scale!" ”
Thief Family (2018)
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Japan
Hirokazu Koreeda Masaya Nakagawa, Akira Ando
As of press time, the film's cumulative box office in Japan has exceeded 4 billion yen, temporarily ranking first in the local live-action box office this year. As a literary film, "Thief Family" actually surpassed the achievements of the superhero blockbuster "Reunion 3" that swept the world. In China, the film is also moving towards the 100 million yuan mark.
Not only did it fail at the box office, but the film also sparked a wide discussion among the audience about Kore-eda's works, the characters in the film, and the topic of blood and love. Taking advantage of the rare opportunity to interview, we also talked to Masa nakagawa about these issues.
01 Talking about Kore-eda: I am his number one fan
Masaya Nakagawa is 55 years old, just one year younger than Kore-eda. He admitted that before participating in the film supervised by Zhi, he had already cherished his works, "It can be said that he is the number one fan!" ”
"It was Zhi Who won the [Cannes Palme d'Or] prize this time, but I was not at all surprised." The tone seems calm and calm, but according to Masaya Nakagawa, when the award ceremony was held, he had been watching the live broadcast on YouTube when he returned to his home in Japan first. The signal was cut off halfway through, and he had to contact the on-site staff by Line.
"At that time, only 'Thief Family' and Spike Lee's 'Black Party' were not called to the stage, and I thought that the final prize should be either." When the on-site staff used Line to inform me of the award, I got goosebumps in an instant. ”
From "Like Father Like Son" to "Thief Family", counting the main role, the two have collaborated on four film works. Talking about this fate, he said: "I like the natural and delicate texture of the film supervised by the branch, although it is real but not disgusting, but has a strong human touch. ”
Maybe that's the magic of Kore-eda's films. It is said that on the shooting scene, all the actors will spend a long time together to achieve a state of being fake and real, and being like a family. "We even sometimes forget that the camera lens is shooting."
When asked which of his favorite works is the work of The Branch Supervisor, Nakagawa Masa also revealed that before the release of "Thief Family", he had "Deeper Than the Sea". "This film can be seen as a "private novel" by Zhi Supervisor, and even the film was shot in the community where the director was born and raised." As he spoke, Masa nakagawa also looked at us and smiled, as if he was afraid that he would accidentally reveal more secrets to the director.
02 Talking about the role in the film: a father who is more like a child than a child
In the film, Osamu Shibata, played by Masaya Nakagawa, always feels a little confused. As a "husband", his daily interaction with Nobuyoshi is warm and sweet, but he remains silent when his wife chooses to bear all the guilt; as a "father", he appears kind and calm when helping Shota solve the confusion of adolescent sex, but he escapes after the family secret is exposed; as a "son", he supports the widow and the old man Hatsue, but after the old man's death, he starts the idea of private money.
"He's actually a father who is more like a child than a child." Masa nakagawa also commented on the role in the film while dissecting herself.
Compared with the father figure in "Like a Father Like a Son", who is poor but always puts his children first to consider, he admits that he is more like the father in "Thief Family" in real life, although he can play with his children, he is not a particularly responsible person like the former.
Commenting on the two closest people in the film, Nakagawa Masa also came to be interested instantly. "All the actors are plain-faced. Ms. Kiki Shirin, who plays her grandmother Hatsue, is even more prepared, constantly giving the character a feeling of 'disgust', such as the way to eat oranges after removing her dentures, and the special long gray hair. In any case, the spirit in her body was still as remarkable as ever. ”
And for Sakura Ando, who starred in the "wife" Nobuyo, Masa Nakagawa also paid high respect. "Whether she's a woman, an actress or a mother, she's very good. If she wasn't a very good person herself, she wouldn't have been able to create such a character. When the two played each other, Nakagawa often marveled at the young actress's acting skills, "Why can she act so well?!" ”
Speaking of which, Nakagawa Masaya also complained a little about the branch supervisor who had always been admired. "Originally, there were many scenes between Sakura Ando and me, such as going to drink and going on dates together, but they were all cut by the director. When several actors finally saw the finished film, they were surprised to find that this plot was gone, and that plot was gone! ”
03 Talking about multiple family formation: No blood relationship is also established
Starting with 2004's "Nobody Knows", Kore-eda has been trying to explore the dialectical relationship between "blood" and "companionship". At about the same time, Masa nakagawa also became the chief representative of the "crying novel" with the autobiographical novel "Tokyo Tower". With elegant and real touching strokes, the book tells the story of the mother and son whose blood is thicker than water to accompany their lives, and expresses the deep remembrance of the past time.
And this time starring in "Thief Family", but Nakagawa Masa also truly realized that the family relationship without blood is also established. "In Europe, both the adoption system and the de facto (rather than the legal) marriage relationship are fairly common. Why do Asians find it less acceptable? Nakagawa masa also expressed puzzlement.
"In fact, in the past, in the large families in rural Japan, there were often cases of adopted children or helping relatives raise children, but in modern times, we have emphasized the legal level or blood relationship."
For the "blood and love" discussion caused by this film, Nakagawa Masaya finally used her own experience to make a footnote to it. "A couple is actually strangers before the legal system is approved, and a family of two people who are completely unrelated by blood can support and trust each other." He said that his father was like this, although he did not register, but he lived with his partner for more than 40 years, which made him very envious.
So you see, although the thief's father Shibata and the actor Masayuki Nakagawa also have a huge contrast, the two tacitly agree on this issue.
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