Translator's note: On February 16, in order to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the founding of the Daily News, a dialogue event was organized for the ten consecutive chess players of Ben in fang. It is called "Why the Absolute King was Born ~ Ben In Fang Ten Lian Ba Dialogue".
In the first paragraph, a little extension was made to the preface. In the daily news release, there are about 800 words, but in fact, the content is still very long. The second paragraph deals with the "difference between the Ben in Fang War and other chess battles".
The players who appeared this time were Cho Ji-hoon and Yuta Iyama, who won the Ten Leagues of Honinbo, and Yukari Yoshihara, who was the host. The entire event was conducted in an online format, and although the picture quality was a bit rough, it hardly affected the excitement of the content.
From: Daily News
Dekigi hands: Kakuji Kyudan, Yuta Iyama Kyudan, Yukari Yoshihara 6th Dan
Translation and finishing: Make excuses for being quiet
Yukari Yoshihara: So let's talk about the Honinbo War, where both of them have achieved ten consecutive hegemonies. Ben in fang was founded in 1936 by the Daily News and remains so to this day. 1936 can be said to have a very long history. Just now Teacher Zhao Zhixun also mentioned, is there anything else you want to share about this?
Zhao Zhixun: Ben Yin Fang Zhan, as I mentioned before, at that time, I was watching "Ben Yin Fang Zhan Complete Collection" to learn chess and then grew up. So the Ben in Fang Battle is the highest stage for me. I think chess players of my age would think this way. At the age of Yuta Iyama, or the current Japanese Go community, everyone will pay close attention to the celebrity battles, the Honinfang battles, and the chess holy wars. However, in my era, everyone still valued the Ben in fang war. Then, as we get older, the perspective of the Ben indyn war is also different. Some people may feel that celebrity battles are the highest honor for themselves, and some people feel that chess is their highest honor. Everyone thinks differently about this.
Yukari Yoshihara: For Teacher Zhao Zhixun, the Honinfang Battle is the most special event, is it because he wants to become a figure in history like the previous Honinbo?
Zhao Zhixun: Yes, because for our generation, the chess game of Ben Infang is the best chess game, and then everyone learns to learn chess from Ben Infang. For example, Teacher Wu Qingyuan, Teacher Eio Sakata, and Teacher Hideyuki Fujisawa, they all watched the "Complete Collection of Honinfang Battle" to learn chess, than me, what is it called, older than me?
Yukari Yoshihara: Seniors?
Zhao Zhixun: Ah yes, seniors, worthy of the high-end word Yoshihara Yukari, I only think of "old" (the three laughed). Almost no one of my predecessors didn't study the Complete Works of Ben in fang, and everyone who wanted to become a chess player would read these books, probably 10 episodes, right? Does Yuta Iyama have the Complete Works of the Battle of Honinfang by her side?
Yuta Iyama: (hesitated for 2 seconds) Yes.
Zhao Zhixun: There should be no, it seems to have a bit of this atmosphere (laughs).
Yuta Iyama: Someone gave it to me, and I haven't bought it myself (laughs).
Zhao Zhixun: After giving it to you, I didn't look at it well (laughs), but in the era of Yuta Iyama, just like him and his teacher, Mr. Ishii Kuniso, played two thousand or three thousand games of chess through the Internet, and this story is still very famous. Compared with their learning environment, we could only watch the "Complete Works of Ben Infang Battle" to learn chess. Then turn from the first page to the last page, look at these chess pieces and slowly grow up on your own. What about a person in his 20s like Yukari Yoshihara at that time? Have you ever seen the Complete Collection of The Battle of Ben in fang?
Yukari Yoshihara: The photo just now is in your 20s (three people laughing), that's a photo from that time, you don't have to think about it too much.
Zhao Zhixun: Sorry sorry (laughs).
Yukari Yoshihara: So let's ask YutaKudan Iyama, what is the difference between the Honin bunko battle and other title battles?
Yuta Iyama: Previously, Teacher Zhao Zhixun also mentioned that the Benyinfang Battle has a very long history, and it has a history of more than 70 years since the Daily News hosted the Benyinfang Battle, which is a race that has been passed down from generation to generation. If I can become an honorary Ben in-house, I can also become a member of the Honin-in-house. All sides are different for me. Teacher Zhao Zhixun is the twenty-fifth Ben in fang, and I have the qualification of the twenty-sixth ben in fang, which I still feel very incredible, and I have a feeling of emotion.
Yukari Yoshihara: Honin-cha dates back to the Edo period, and it does have an extraordinary meaning to be included in the history of Honin-cha. Then there is a question I would like to ask the two of you, who is the most favorite Ben In fang among the generations, and who is the strongest Ben Yin Fang? Is it yourself (laughs)? First of all, I would like to ask Yuta Iyama to answer.
Yuta Iyama: That's certainly the one sitting next to me (laughs). Because for me, I read the most is still The chess score of Teacher Zhao Zhixun, just now Teacher Zhao Zhixun mentioned that the chess scores of the past generations of Ben Yinfang are like the Bible, and for me, Teacher Zhao Zhixun's chess score is the Bible. So it's a special presence for me.
Yukari Yoshihara: What is your assessment of Honinbo in the Edo period?
Yuta Iyama: Just now, Teacher Zhao Zhixun also mentioned that I admire Teacher Doc and Teacher Xiuce more. These two are special to me. Although I can't say that I have learned a lot from them, I can feel the strength of each of them from their chess scores.
Yukari Yoshihara: As it is, I would like to hear the thoughts of Teacher Cho Ji-hoon on the same question. Who is the most appreciated and the strongest among the generations of Ben in the world.
Zhao Zhixun: As I just said, Teacher Dao ce and Teacher Xiu Ce, I believe that many people will answer them both. But what I appreciate most in my words is Hidekazu, Honinbo Show and the teacher. He should be Xiu Ce's teacher, and I like his chess very much, and it is also the most chess game I have played.
Maybe everyone will think that how I answer this person is so different, how to answer the answer that we can't think of. The strength of Xiu Ce and Dose is really strong, just like Yuta Iyama, very strong. Although I am the same as the ten consecutive masters, but the content is completely different, my words are stumbling and then finally got the ten consecutive masters, Iyama Yuta's words encountered a little difficulty at the last time, just last year was quite dangerous. Before that, he had been walking on his own king's path. So as a ten-in-a-row bully, I feel quite ashamed (the three laughed).
Xiuhe teacher's words, although not as powerful as the ruling level, the chess game is still a bit brittle. It doesn't look very strong, but this style of chess is still very much in line with my style. So for me I like the show and the teacher the most.
Yukari Yoshihara: In this way, it seems that during the cultivation period, a lot of show and teacher's chess scores were placed.
Zhao Zhixun: Yes, that's right, of course, the most I learned was Wu Qingyuan's chess game. After I met Mr. Wu Qingyuan, the content of the chess game also changed a lot, and before that, it was the chess score of Xiuhe and the teacher. Just like when you meet people, you will have people you admire and people you like. Hidewa-sensei is a "favorite person" to me, and Yuta Iyama is an "admirer" to me, but hates him (the three laugh), just kidding ha.
In short, Teacher Wu Qingyuan, Teacher Daoce and Teacher Xiuce, I admire them, but I don't like them very much. I don't like perfect people, although I say "Iheyama Sensei" here, I actually want to shout "Ikuyama" more. I'm here today like Yuta Iyama, and to be honest I'm still quite tired (laughs). I was still discouraged (laughs).
Yukari Yoshihara: Listening to Teacher Cho Ji-hoon's words, how did Yuta Iyama feel?
Yuta Iyama: For me, I am very happy to have such an opportunity to communicate with Mr. Zhao Zhixun. In peacetime, or in title battles, they also communicate with me. This time there was a different feeling of nervousness for me.
Yukari Yoshihara: Now that we have talked about the history of Honinbo, if they can appear in this era, who do we want to play against? First of all, please ask Yuta Iyama to answer.
Yuta Iyama: For me, a lot of people want to say, and the first of my words is the two I just mentioned, Mr. Dose and Mr. Hidetatsu. They all have their own strengths, and to be honest, I would love to experience them firsthand. Mr. Hidetatsu's words and my style seem to be completely different, and it feels like a style that can be laughed to the end as long as you gain an advantage. This is where Mr. Xiu Ce is strong, and it is also the place where I can't imitate it. So I personally want to play against people who are different from my technical characteristics, and then feel their strength.
Yukari Yoshihara: So who does Cho Ji-hoon want to play against?
Zhao Zhixun: Ben inbo started from the first generation, and then Inoyama Yuta is already 26 generations, if anyone is the most powerful, it must be Izuyama Yuta, but in the Edo period, there were no trains and cars, when it was still a carriage, wasn't it a very powerful thing to be able to play such a chess game? It's not like now you can get a lot of information as long as you have the Network, and you can see the chess game in the world in an instant. In that era when they could feel very happy when they ate white rice, they could have such a level, and there was no computer or mobile phone, why they could play such a quality chess game, considering this, they are very remarkable.
If they can play against Yuta Iyama in the current era, maybe Sensei Doshi, Sensei Hidetsu, and yuta Iyama now have a chance to win. Of course, I think it's hard to win, but there's always this illusion. If I ask Yuta Iyama and Mr. Hideta how much chance they have won, I believe that Yuta Iyama would not assert that she can win 100%. Of course, Yuta Iyama is a good person, even if he thinks so, he will not say it, but once he has the opportunity to play, then Xiu Tsaku sensei may still be able to win the game. I believe that chess fans will also have such expectations.
Think about it, more than 200 years ago, when there was nothing, how did they learn Go? I think it's a miracle in itself. For example, no matter how much information there is, it is also very difficult to find a new means. So I would like to know how they play chess without anything, and it feels very powerful to think about.
Yukari Yoshihara: So who would you like to play against Cho Ji-hoon if you could play against the previous generations of Honinbo?
Zhao Zhixun: Ah, it was originally asked this question (the three of them laughed). If I could play against the game, I would like to repeat it for everyone. I'd love to fly to that era and play chess with them if I could. I prefer this format.
Yukari Yoshihara: It does conjure up a lot of dreams, so let's move on to the next topic. Both of them have reached the ten consecutive hegemons of Ben Yinfang, for the two of them, when is the point of disagreement of the ten consecutive hegemons? It is precisely because of winning this game that you have obtained the ten consecutive championships, or when you realize that you have obtained the ten consecutive championships, you can also say that this time is very dangerous, etc., you can speak freely.
(Next episode continues)