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One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different

Oil prices are running into the 9 yuan era. The rising cost of cars has also made consumer demand for new energy vehicles continue to heat up.

According to the data of the Intelligent Electric Vehicle Professional Committee of the China Electronic Chamber of Commerce, the cumulative sales of new energy vehicle terminals in mainland China in 2021 will be 2.8832 million units, accounting for 13.88% of the total sales of passenger cars. Among them, the cumulative sales of pure electric vehicles reached 2.3611 million units, and the annual sales of pure electric passenger car terminals accounted for 11.37% of the total sales of passenger cars, and they are still gradually rising.

New energy vehicles are entering thousands of households with an unstoppable trend, but the charging problems that follow are also beginning to be revealed, especially the charging problems generated by household charging piles in the installation process are particularly prominent, and various charging names can be described as various. Some car owners did not encounter additional charges during the installation process, while some owners were charged thousands of yuan. Where do these fees come from? Who is charging? How can I fix these issues? Recently, the Red Star News reporter conducted a survey of new energy vehicle users who have installed household charging piles within a year, and screened some of the more typical cases to reveal the problems in the current home charging pile installation process as comprehensively as possible.

【Case 1】Can the installation of "orderly charging piles" give consumers one more choice?

Details of the cost of installing charging piles——

State Grid installation and service fee: 2,000 yuan

Charging service fee: 0.3 yuan per kWh of electricity

In January, Ms. Zhou, who lives on the Crystal Blue Peninsula in Chengdu, finally bought back the Tesla Model Y she had in mind. However, what she did not expect was that the installation of household charging piles was twisted and turned, and it took more than a month to install the charging piles before they were tossed back and forth. Although the charging pile has been installed, which saves a lot of money compared with the initial installation fee, Ms. Zhou has many doubts about the inexplicable increase in "service fee".

At first, Ms. Zhou planned to purchase Tesla's "home charging service package". Because, Tesla officially arranged the designated service provider to visit the survey, the survey successfully charged 9.9 yuan, unsuccessfully did not charge, which made Ms. Zhou feel reliable. But after carefully studying the cost, Ms. Zhou began to retreat. Ms. Zhou said tesla's official sale of the "home charging service package" is priced at 8,000 yuan, including an electric charging pile and 40 meters of cable wire. If the cable laying distance is too long, Tesla can upgrade the cable for free, but the part beyond 40 meters will be charged at 70 yuan per meter. Ms. Zhou's charging pile from the power connection to the parking space, a total length of 95 meters, of which 55 meters to be calculated at 70 yuan per meter, just the extra cable line will cost more than 3800 yuan. In this way, the cost of installing a charging pile exceeds 11,000 yuan.

Thinking about it, Ms. Zhou felt that it was not cost-effective. Therefore, she never cared about the charging pile, she inquired a lot of information on the Internet, and after many recommendations and comparisons, she purchased a charging pile and installation package that met the requirements of Model Y online. If you calculate according to the installation package purchased online, each meter of cable only needs 50 yuan, plus the cost of charging piles, her total cost is only about 7,000 yuan. However, when Ms. Zhou happily waited for the installer to come to the door to install, the other party said that because some of the cable routing areas are super high, so each meter of cable should be charged an ultra-high operating fee of 40 yuan. In this way, the cable that was originally 50 yuan per meter suddenly became 90 yuan, plus the cost of purchasing charging piles, so the total cost of more than 10,000 yuan was calculated, and the cost of Tesla charging service packages was not much different. Ms. Zhou is very angry, because of the same line as Tesla, why does this online shopping installation package installation company have to pay an extra high fee. Ms. Zhou immediately gave up the installation and returned the goods online after purchasing the charging pile and installation package. Although the installation was not successful, the other party still charged Ms. Zhou 150 yuan for the door-to-door fee.

In the end, Ms. Zhou found the State Grid through the property management to install the "orderly charging pile". Although the wiring is more than 100 meters long, Ms. Zhou only spent a total of 2,000 yuan, which is the least expensive of the three installation methods she has tried. "Charging piles don't cost money, only the right to use." Compared with the previous two installation schemes, Ms. Zhou's current choice of this method will be charged a certain fee for each kilowatt hour of electricity in the future. Ms. Zhou said that the community she lives in is an old community, not every household has an independent meter, so they do not implement a ladder price in the entire community, and they charge about 0.54 yuan / kWh. After installing the charging pile, the cost of charging her home will be added to the electricity price of about 0.3 yuan / kWh in different periods. Although several thousand yuan were saved during the installation of the charging pile, in the long run, the cost of charging increased. Ms. Zhou believes that the purpose of buying pure electric vehicles is to save the cost of use and enjoy ladder electricity price charging. But from the current situation, not only can not enjoy the ladder electricity price, but also pay more expensive than usual electricity price.

One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different

Ms. Zhou clicked on the charging record of the "e-charging" APP, and the reporter saw that Ms. Zhou's most recent charge cost a total of 20.8 yuan, of which the charging fee was 13.46 yuan, the service fee was 7.34 yuan, and the service fee accounted for 35% of the entire cost. The charging time is from 0:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m., and the average electricity price is 0.55 yuan / kWh.

On the one hand, Ms. Zhou questioned whether the way of charging "service fees" in the electricity bill was compliant, and also suggested that the charging pile construction and installation unit could give consumers one more choice, such as giving a one-time initial installation fee, and no longer charging a "service fee" according to the charging degree in the later stage.

The reporter checked a "State Grid "unified construction and unified operation" orderly charging pile reporting instructions FAQ, which explained the collection of "service fees": because the "unified construction and unified services" include the construction of low-voltage distribution system interface leasing, charging load centralized optimization and control services, orderly charging pile daily maintenance and fault repair services, so charging service fees are charged according to the actual situation. The government allows the "unified construction and operation" charging facilities to reasonably charge service fees to make up for the operating costs of construction and transformation.

One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different

【Case 2】The community collects 5500 yuan "electricity capacity increase fee" The owner is ready to sue the property

Tesla official charge: charging pile 8000 yuan (including 40 meters line, if more than 70 yuan / meter charged)

Property charge: 5500 yuan "electricity capacity increase fee"

Buying a new car is supposed to be a happy thing, but because of the installation of household charging piles, what was originally simple has become a bad thing. In November 2021, Ms. Yan (pseudonym) purchased a Tesla electric car and prepared to install a household charging pile on the own parking space of the community (Vanke Tianhui Residence in Chenghua District), but the residential property informed that the installation of charging piles needs to charge a power capacity increase fee of 500 yuan per kw (the current power of ordinary charging piles is 7kw-11Kw, that is, a one-time charge of at least 3500 yuan-5500 yuan), Ms. Yan's charging pile is 11KW, which must be paid 5500 yuan, and the owner also signs the " Self-use pile installation usage protocol. However, regarding the relevant approvals and charging standards for the collection of "electricity capacity increase fees", Vanke Tianhui Property could not get the standard documents or the approval of the price department. According to the Red Star News reporter, the Vanke Tianhui residential project is a new residential area delivered in December 2020, and the power facilities and capacity are relatively new.

One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different

Although she did not recognize this inexplicable "capacity increase fee", after the vehicle was bought back, forced by the pressure of inconvenient charging, Ms. Yan had to pay 5500 yuan to the property in order to install the charging pile. However, in the name of the invoice issued by the property owner, the "electricity capacity increase fee" became the "enterprise service management fee", which she was also puzzled by.

One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different

Since then, Ms. Yan has made a complaint online, although she has been contacted by multiple departments, but without exception, she has said that the state does not explicitly stipulate that the country does not charge such fees for residential properties, and it needs to be resolved through consultation between the two parties, and if necessary, legal channels can be taken. Ms. Yan told reporters that she is preparing relevant prosecution materials recently and preparing to sue Vanke Tianhui Property. At the same time, she said that many owners in the community who have installed or are ready to install charging piles are organizing rights protection, saying that they do not recognize the property's charge, "Our community shows the second phase of Golden Lefu on the Vanke APP, but the owners of Golden Lefu who are hundreds of meters away will not charge any fees for installing charging pile properties." ”

【Case 3】High one-time investment Low long-term cost of use

WEILAI official charge: wire more than 100 meters of free meters, 7000 yuan (charging pile free, including 30 meters of line, if more than 70 yuan / meter charged)

Property charge: 0 yuan (property does not charge)

Mr. Yang bought a WEILAI ES6 last year and spent 7,000 yuan on the installation of household charging piles on the community's own parking space, all of which were wire costs, and the residential property did not charge any fees. Mr. Yang told the Red Star News reporter that the reason why so many wires were used was because the special meter applied for needed to be connected from the side of his own meter box to the underground parking lot, and he lived on more than 20 floors, naturally needing a long cable. However, different from the property public area general meter wiring electricity price for the unified price, this separate special meter, the fee is paid separately from two accounts, not affected by the ladder electricity price, you can enjoy the peak and valley electricity price, the peak charging fee is lower, so Mr. Yang is set to charge in the early morning to enjoy the valley electricity price.

【Case 4】Convenient charging around the home charging pile Abandon the household charging pile

Ms. Xing bought a Xiaopeng electric car last year, which has been used for half a year, and she is very satisfied with the extremely low cost of use, "basically it can be said that there is no fee." She told the Red Star News reporter that when she bought a car, she consulted the residential property, and the installation of household charging piles would add thousands of yuan in service fees, so she gave up the installation. Because about 2 kilometers away from her home there is a Xiaopeng's own supercharging station, "when buying a car, I gave away a lifetime free charging service of 3,000 kWh of electricity per year, according to my frequency of use, I ran 200 kilometers a week to charge once, and the 70-degree battery pack was charged from 30% to 90%, about 30 kWh of electricity, so for me 3,000 degrees per year was completely enough (after November 1, 2021, car buyers, lifetime free electricity changed to 1,000 degrees per year), so there is no need to spend money to charge it yourself. According to her, Xiaopeng supercharge is charged according to the time period, the cheapest at night, but Xiaopeng gifts electricity, so it does not matter if she chooses to charge in the most expensive time period during the day, "each time about an hour and a half, playing on the car will be almost the same, not too delayed." However, although the cost of pure electric vehicles is very low, she believes that mileage anxiety is still the biggest disadvantage of trams, "Before driving a fuel car, running 600 kilometers is no problem, now driving 200 kilometers feels like charging, thinking about peace of mind." ”

One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different

【Case 5】Unwilling to give 7,000 yuan service fee, the owner temporarily postponed the purchase of a car and waited for the new regulations

At present, the property service fee policy: a one-time "service fee" is charged according to the power of the charging pile, and the power of 7KW is charged 7000 yuan.

New policy: install orderly piles, installation fee of 2000 yuan, 0.3 yuan service fee per kWh of electricity

From February to March, Ms. Qi, who lives in the seventh phase of China Resources 24 Cities, still did not wait for the new charging notice for the installation of charging piles in the community, and the plan to purchase new energy vehicles was only postponed.

Ms. Qi told reporters that she had been optimistic about a new energy vehicle before and after the Spring Festival, but she did not dare to pay the deposit, because the new installation fee of the seventh phase of the 24 cities of China Resources where she lived had not been announced. Ms. Qi said that because a friend around her before bought a car and encountered that the residential property pipe was not allowed to install charging piles, or to charge additional things such as expansion fees and service fees, if the cost generated during the installation process was too high, it was likely to affect the brand and model she chose, "after all, the budget is only so much." Therefore, she decided not to buy a car for the time being when the property management regulations on how to install and charge household charging piles have not been implemented.

Seeing that the price of No. 95 oil is almost 9 yuan, Ms. Qi, who has been waiting for the news, is a little anxious. At the end of last week, Ms. Qi, who had waited for more than half a month and still had not waited for news, asked the property management again. The staff of the property center told her that according to the current regulations of the community, the property management will charge a one-time "service fee" according to the power of the household charging pile, and for every 1KW of power, it will charge 1,000 yuan, and so on. According to the current property charging standards, ms. Qi's new energy vehicle needs to install a charging pile with a slow charging power of 7KW, then the service fee will be charged 7,000 yuan. Coupled with the additional charging service package she needs to buy, the cost of cables beyond the length, she will have to spend at least 15,000-20,000 yuan to install a charging pile. It was really beyond her budget. In this regard, the service staff of the property center also suggested that if she was not particularly anxious, she would wait a little longer, because it was indeed not cost-effective to give a few thousand yuan at a time. At present, the State Grid and the residential property have preliminarily finalized the installation of four public charging piles in the public area of the community, but the installation and charging scheme for household charging piles will have to wait.

One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different

While Ms. Qi was waiting for the property news, the fourth phase of the 24th City of China Resources has posted the "Announcement on the Orderly Charging Project of "Unified Construction and Unified Operation" stationed in the community". According to the public notice, the electric vehicle is charged in disorder at the peak of electricity consumption in the community, resulting in damage to the transformer due to overload operation, and there is a safety risk. At the same time, if the number of electric vehicles increases rapidly, the funds required for the transformation of the distribution system are huge, and it is difficult for individuals to bear it. Secondly, due to the random installation of charging piles in the community, private pulling and random connection, unmanned management and other issues may cause safety hazards to the community. Based on the above reasons, the community will introduce an operator - State Grid Sichuan Electric Vehicle Service Co., Ltd., stationed in the community unified planning, unified construction, unified operation, and responsible for the main line transformation, etc., for the community to form an orderly charging system, charging piles according to the instructions, to achieve peak shifting and valley filling, in order to ensure that the community electricity to meet the needs of car charging.

The community publicity shows that if the "orderly charging project" is stationed in the community, then the cost of building a pile package (including charging piles and installation, low-voltage cable lines and installation) is only 2,000 yuan, and then in use, a service fee of 0.3 yuan per kilowatt hour of electricity is charged.

After learning the content of the fourth phase of the publicity, Ms. Qi also ate a reassuring pill, if you follow this standard, you don't have to re-select cheaper new energy models in order to save money, "I will sit and wait for the new regulations."

【Case 6】4 times a month power exchange service, 0 cost of using a car

Installation cost: The cable is not too long, and the total cost is 0 yuan.

Property Charges: No charge

Mr. Guo's family bought a Weilai ES6, although when installing the household charging pile, there was a little trouble, but after more than 100 days of use, in addition to giving the battery rental fee of 1560 yuan per month, the cost of use is almost zero.

Mr. Guo said that he was lucky that the installation of the household charging pile was very smooth, and the length of the cable was within the free range of the installation package, so there was no additional cost. The property also did not charge a service charge. It's just a little trouble when applying for an installation. Because the contract provided by Weilai is a tripartite contract, but the property management company only recognizes the national unified contract, so he re-signed a national unified contract with Weilai. However, the process of re-signing the contract did not delay his time to install the household charging pile, and the only cost incurred was an additional courier fee.

What makes him most enjoyable is that he only rents a battery for 1560 yuan a month, and he has not spent a penny on electricity for more than 100 days. Because he chose to install a household charging pile, Weilai officially provides 4 free power exchanges per month, which can basically meet the needs of their families, and each time the power is not queued, it is very convenient to change it. Therefore, the household charging pile has been installed for more than 100 days, and it has not been used once. Colleagues who bought the same model chose not to install household charging piles, so the official sent 6 free battery changes every month, and the cost of electricity was almost zero.

Mr. Guo still has a BMW MINI at home, but he has rarely used that MINI since he used it. Recently, oil prices have soared all the way, and it has not affected his mood at all.

About the charging standard for installing charging piles in the community

There are no clear rules

Why do some residential properties not charge a penny, while some residential properties charge thousands of yuan in "service fees"? The reporter inquired on the Internet that in August 2021, the Chengdu Municipal Bureau of Economy and Information Technology, together with the Municipal Housing and Construction Bureau, the Municipal Development and Reform Commission, the Municipal Market Supervision Bureau, the Municipal Emergency Response Bureau, the Municipal Civil Air Defense Office, and the Municipal Fire Rescue Detachment, jointly issued the "Implementation Rules for the Construction and Management of Electric Vehicle Charging Facilities in Chengdu Residential Areas", but there is no clear provision on the charges in the process of installing charging piles, and there are only two references to related fees.

One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different
One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different
One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different

A few days ago, the Red Star News reporter called the contact information of the answer department published in the policy interpretation of the "Detailed Rules". After explaining the situation to the Municipal Bureau of Economy and Information Technology, the Development and Reform Commission, the Housing and Construction Bureau, the Market Supervision Bureau and other departments, the reply received is that at present, from the state to the provinces, municipalities, and localities, the charges for the property when installing household charging piles are not included in the pricing category, so from the policy level, there is no constraint, such charging standards belong to the market bargaining behavior, whether the residential property should be charged, and the owners should jointly decide.

However, the Municipal Housing and Urban-Rural Development Bureau also said that if the property owner does not provide substantive services, it cannot charge a fee, and the statement about the electricity capacity increase fee requires the property party to issue relevant service terms and charging standards to come up with a basis.

Charging pile installation policy

New energy vehicle manufacturers are different

In the interview, the Red Star News reporter found that the compensation policies of major new energy vehicle brands for charging piles, power exchanges, and non-installation of charging piles are different, but the descriptions of some manufacturers on the official website are incomplete. In this regard, the reporter specially collected the charging pile installation policies of some mainstream new energy vehicles, and interviewed the front-line sales staff to verify, and finally made a "list of mainstream brand household charging pile installation policies" for consumers who are planning to buy new energy vehicles.

One family does not charge money, one family collects thousands! Red Star reporter investigation: The installation of household charging piles is different

Tips:

A number of users who have purchased new energy vehicles have said that before determining the purchase of new energy vehicles, they must first consult the relevant matters related to the installation of charging piles in the residential property, and if they go to coordinate after purchasing the car, it is likely that they cannot be installed, which also has a greater impact on later use.

After communicating with the property, before confirming that the household charging pile can be installed, the owner must first confirm the power extraction method, and now the installation of the community generally has three kinds of power, one is connected to the independent grid meter, the second is connected to the home appliance meter, and the third is connected to the property meter. The recommended of the three power connection methods is the grid special meter, which is a separate account, you can enjoy the peak and valley electricity price of household electricity, but if the home appliance meter is far away from the parking space, the wire cost is a larger expenditure; the second kind is compared to the first, although there are also peak and valley electricity prices, but the electricity consumption will be accumulated to the ladder price on the household electricity meter, the more expensive it is used; the third kind of property meter box power connection, are unified price, no peak valley electricity price difference, but generally close to the parking space, the number of meters used by the wire is less than the first two.

Red Star News reporter Liu Aini Zhang Yu

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