Huang Zumin: My master Ma Zhiming has been in adversity all his life (2)

Why in the hustle and bustle of the entertainment circle and the lively cross-talk world, we rarely see Ma Zhiming's figure, he is a high-ranking person living in seclusion outside the world, or an unfair person who is coldly watching outside the hustle and bustle, what makes Ma Zhiming today?

Xiaohong: Do you think he is particularly lonely?

Huang Zumin: From which point of view, from the perspective of the audience, Ma Lao has a generation of masters with many cross-talk audiences, and my master is the creator and successor of Ma's cross-talk. And what is special about him is that he and the old master jointly prospered Ma's cross-talk in the same era, not that Ma Lao was the founder of Ma's cross-talk, and my master was a son, so he could only inherit and develop. No, he and the old man had a fairly high level of creativity for a while. And my master especially in the cross-talk adaptation I admire quite a lot, why? I also have the desire to create, I sometimes collect some small pieces, small baggage to provide to him, and even I myself basically process it into a small section, take it out for the master to see, he said that he can't change it, he changed it immediately after he finished.

　　I deeply understand that we once rehearsed a "Eat Pear Slice" together, and at that time there was also a person in the cross-talk circle named Wang Wenjin who created such a small paragraph, and after listening to it, I felt a little interesting. After I read it, I thought it was a pretty good little section, and after my master read it, he spent about half a day rearranging the whole structure at home, and then took it out after it was finished, and the effect was quite good. I feel that there is this kind of skill of turning stones into gold. "Eating Pear Slices" is an example.

　　There is also a "Hire Three Wheels", "Hire Three Wheels" This cross-talk is circulated among cross-talk actors for many people and many years, and it is a small segment of inconspicuous cross-talk, which has changed after his adaptation. We performed this when the old man said goodbye to the stage, and the effect was quite good. Like "Splashing Water" and "Throwing Dogs", when I first brought a lot of cross-talk clips, I looked at it and thought it was ridiculous, but everyone didn't think it was ridiculous to show it. But after his adaptation, it became a small segment with a rather hot effect, which has been circulated until now, and now often makes.

　　There is also a "can't get used to" paragraph, this is someone else's creation, after the creation of the feeling is not interesting, and later after his adaptation, the video also left, until now there are still people asking to listen to this. Therefore, his adaptability and skills are different. This is the Ma family's unique means. There are many cross-talk celebrities who give him a book, he reads according to that book, he will act well if the book is written well, he will not act well if he writes badly, most of them are like this, he has no ability to adapt. Generally speaking, as long as there is a theme, he likes to be able to pass it down after he has been adapted, which I admire.

As a master of creation and adaptation, why hasn't Ma Zhiming's new work been seen recently? On this point, Huang Zumin said so

　　Xiaohong: Now he is still creating, but we have not seen these works come out, and you just mentioned that it seems to be because there are some external influences?

　　Huang Zumin: This is not to say that it did not come out, because recently what we have on the stage is not recorded on TV, because as long as we record this passage on TV, it has been stolen by others.

　　Xiaohong: No intellectual property protection?

　　Huang Zumin: There is no protection. And we once created a passage of "Reversing The Car", which was premiered at the Jinmen Qu Art Festival. At that time, a host was from Beijing, and after listening to this, beijing did not come out for a month to use it.

　　The depth of water in the entertainment industry is the consensus of many people, although this consensus does not know where it comes from, but to this day, when it comes to this topic, the listener will always show a smile. In the entertainment industry, Ma Zhiming has been working hard for decades, and ma Zhiming has seen some things more thoroughly and farther than others, and behind all this, it may be explained by "eating a long and wise".

　　Xiaohong: Are there a lot of such things in the circle?

　　Huang Zumin: Too much. Even after the creation of "Dispute" was completed, Beijing called and said that this paragraph should be given to me, and I would use it. Say you use it, but the author can't say it's you anymore, that's not okay. CCTV Spring Festival Gala, twice proposed to perform this, to let us go to the Spring Festival Gala he will not go. I admire this quite a bit, especially the manhood and bones. The Spring Festival Gala never goes.

　　Xiaohong: Didn't they go because they wanted to change "Dispute"?

　　Huang Zumin: Mainly unaccustomed, the Spring Festival Gala crew and director called to ask for this. In fact, Tianjin went to several people to go to the Spring Festival Gala, and finally took it off on the twenty-ninth day of the Waxing Moon.

　　Xiaohong: The Spring Festival Gala is the dream of many actors, and going to the Spring Festival Gala means fame and fortune.

　　Huang Zumin: This is the feeling of an ordinary cross-talk actor. But there is no such awareness from my Master.

　　Xiaohong: What about you? What do you think of the Spring Festival Gala?

　　Huang Zumin: I appreciate his feeling. I said before, I can see two or three results in one thing, he can see four or five results, he looks deeper and farther than I can see. Since then, several cross-talk actors in Tianjin have rehearsed in closed rehearsals at the Spring Festival Gala and finally returned crying on the twenty-ninth day of the lunar month. Not one, it's all after us. Therefore, he said that we can't go, and in the end, we can only give the paragraph to others, and we will come back by ourselves.

　　Xiaohong: He saw this very well.

　　Huang Zumin: I have already seen through it. As a result, three Tianjin cross-talk actors appeared in three consecutive years and were bombarded back.

　　Huang Zumin: We will not go into this detail because we have no evidence. This was all confirmed years later, and I admired him, and he had already seen through it. I was an ordinary cross-talk actor at that time, why didn't I go to the Spring Festival Gala? I can't ask for it. Sharpen your head and spend money to go, why don't you go? I don't understand.

　　You think this gap is too big, how can you understand it? Later, little by little, he talked about and told me about these things, and I didn't believe them when they said them. Three years later, three instances confirmed the impossibility. Three years ago, people saw this result.

　　Xiaohong: At that time, he made this decision for you not to go to the Spring Festival Gala?

　　Huang Zumin: Right. Of course, his opinion is the mainstay, he is funny, at first I did not understand, but it has nothing to do with me, it does not matter. But I always felt that I was thinking a little too much, my feeling was like this, and then I saw that it was not true, and everything was right. There are several things that confirm his thinking.

Xiangsheng has a lot of praise and teasing, but the praise is always in a supporting role position, partner for so many years, so is there a time when the Huang people are psychologically unbalanced?

　　Huang Zumin - as a praise I have no imbalance at the time

　　Huang Zumin: I don't have this yet. Because it's always a crosstalk. Crosstalk is a bunch of teasing, except for stand-up. Without this praise, it is not called a cross-talk. I myself think this role is also quite important in crosstalk. Moreover, my master also said that if this sentence is not handed to me, I can't say it in the second half, and on this sentence, this momentum will not sound if it is not my baggage. So why is he not a disciple in the process of teaching me, he has several apprentices, but no disciple has taught me as seriously as he taught me, word by word, sentence by sentence, and he showed me a demonstration. On the other hand, I acted funny, he played that praise, how do you say, how do I say it back and forth and teach it like this. And even a sentence is repeated dozens of times back and forth, and if there is a word that is not correct, and the sound of a word is not correct, it is not OK. So he taught me a lot more brain and effort than that group of apprentices.

　　Therefore, when we are praising, our jargon "size" and "momentum" are the most severely cut on this issue. In ordinary life, our grandfathers generally did not say who listened to whom and who was afraid of whom, and did not have this feeling. Even performing on the field does not feel this way. But this feeling is quite obvious when rehearsing, so to speak, I am not afraid of performances, everything in life is not afraid, when I rehearse, it is the most terrible. Why? One word can get half a day.

　　Xiaohong: I'm always competing there.

　　Huang Zumin: Yes, so rehearsal is my most nervous time, usually not. Therefore, in the feeling of praise and the feeling of cross-talk fans, more than half of them were taught by my master sentence by sentence, according to his requirements.

　　Xiaohong: Everyone thinks that what you hold, especially with Teacher Ma, is seamless and special.

　　Huang Zumin: As long as the cross-talk actors and comics are well coordinated, they should understand the sense of rhythm, and cross-talk is rhythmic. Singing, allegro have rhythms, plays, boards and eyes, all have rhythms. There is also a rhythm in the two people talking in crosstalk.

　　In 2006, when I was evaluating the second-level title, my dissertation was devoted to the rhythm of cross-talk. This point can be understood by all good praise, and generally speaking, praise and teasing are lacking in this regard if they are not like a pair. All rhythms are not like the rhythm of the song, or your speed, my speed, the connection between the previous sentence and the next sentence, and how long the interval should be, depending on your speed. So my master explained this to me in more detail, and I now understand it to this extent.

　　Sometimes it's not okay to be fast, it's beyond the audience's ability to reflect; the audience has already reacted to it, you haven't said it yet, faster, slower is not ok, when will it work? You have to react in sync with the vast majority, more than 70 percent of your audience.

　　So sometimes according to my personal feelings, my earliest feeling is fast, which is reflected in the first half second of the audience's reaction, and sometimes it affects the audience's feeling because of this half a second. The audience figured out that Coke and Ta Le were real music, and you told him that the weight and depth of his laughter were different.

　　Therefore, it is best to mobilize this laughter of the audience, this kind of inner laughter, depending on the audience present at the time of the performance, and the audience's reaction is not the same. Today in this reaction is fast, young students and even some of them are qu school students, specializing in cross-talk, these people react absolutely fast, on this occasion to praise or not, it is difficult to ring. So this rhythm is not to say that today will go according to this rhythm, the next one is still like this, this is not OK. The audience has to change the rhythm, so I think this is a very living thing, which I only learned after learning crosstalk.

　　Xiaohong: You and Teacher Ma have been together for so long, what do you think makes you two go on like this?

　　Huang Zumin: Tempers are similar. Likes and dislikes are consistent.

　　Xiaohong: Personality is also more consistent?

　　Huang Zumin: Right.

　　Xiaohong: Finally, please say a few words to my friends who like Ma's crosstalk.

Huang Zumin: I can't talk about art, I just eat mixed rice. I don't think there is anything special, basically how my master taught me how to act, I learned this degree to be affirmed by Ma Pai fans, I also feel that it is not bad, that is, I take this opportunity to thank ma xiangsheng fans for their preference for me, what are the deficiencies, first of all, I improve myself, and then I can put forward and modify it, and slowly I can meet the requirements of Ma Pai cross-talk fans.