For high-speed motorcycle users, we hope that the vibration of the 650DS can be smaller, because the vibration of the high-speed cruise of this car in the 120km/h state is indeed relatively large.
For deep non-paved players, we hope that the 6550DS's maintenance quality can be lighter, because the demand for playing non-paved cars is naturally the lighter the better, and everyone is eager for this car to be able to have a shelf quality with DR650.
(Suzuki's large single cylinder DR650 kering quality is only 166kg)
For light non-paving + motorcycle enthusiasts, we hope that the appearance of the 650DS can look better, the setting can be more hard, and it is best to meet everyone's hard school crossing dream like KLR650 or G650GS.
(The KLR is the kind of car you can tell at a glance that it's hard.)
If you don't know much about 650DS, when you read the above three suggestions, you will probably feel that the 650DS car is not very good, it is simply a collection of shock, sinking, and ugly, no wonder it can't be sold! However, this car is not like this, as the largest single-cylinder ADV in The country, the 650DS has its own story and ideals.
650DS was first officially launched at the 2017 Chongqing Mo Expo, when its code name was DS8, the naming method was in the same vein as the previous Wuji street car CR9, and the DS8 was also different from other domestic ADVs in terms of design, and the angular front face made this car have a high degree of recognition.
(The led light source of the whole vehicle is also the standard of the DS8, and the windshield can also be adjusted manually)
Of course, the launch in 2017 has determined the basic configuration of this car, there is no extreme DS8 on the engine or the engine from the BMW 650GS, this machine has been equipped on the infinity CR9 before, the maximum power is 37kw / 6750rpm, the maximum torque is 60nm / 5500rpm, and equipped with a dry oil pan, the meaning of the dry oil pan on the 650DS is that it can achieve a relatively high ground clearance without a particularly high seat height.
In addition to the dry sump gimmick, the engine also helped bmw team win two Dakar rally titles between 1999 and 2000, which is enough to prove the performance and reliability of this engine from the side.
And the fuel consumption of this engine is not large, with a fuel tank volume of 18L, there is not much problem in achieving a 400km endurance.
In other configurations, the DS8 also maintains the high level of infinity, the frame uses a robot-welded 345B carbon steel tube braided frame, the official description of this frame is tough, impact-resistant, lightweight.
(Of course, although there is a steel pipe braided frame, its curb weight still reaches 210kg)
The front and rear shock absorption are KYB, the front inverted shock absorption is not adjustable, the shock absorption stroke is 180mm, the rear multi-link shock absorption, with preload adjustable function. The brakes come from Nissin, front 298mm dual disc + two one-way dual-piston calipers, rear 240mm single disc + single-piston calipers.
Wheel size according to the configuration of different is divided into cast aluminum and vacuum spoke wheel two configurations, everyone's size is the same, are 19 after 17 of the hard set, standard tire pressure monitoring, but the tire brand is not the same. Cast aluminum wheels are paired with elephant tires, closer to road riding, while vacuum spoke wheels are paired with Pirelli scorpion tires, which are relatively more suitable for the needs of non-paved roads.
Under the superposition of shock absorption and wheel hub buff, the height of the DS8 has also reached 865mm, but Wuji still provides it with an optional seat height of 825mm in order to allow more people to ride this single-cylinder beast.
(The seat height was changed to 810mm and 840mm later)
By 2018. Wuji DS8 was officially renamed 650DS, as for the reason for the name change... Anecdotal rumors that DS8 is easy to be heard as "dick silk", this name is not very elegant, so simply renamed 650DS, I agree with this.
In 2019, the 650DS has undergone some changes in the meter, from the old LCD meter to a full-color TFT meter that supports tire pressure monitoring and mobile phone interconnection.
(Original Instrument)
(Today's LCD color screen)
From the perspective of 2022, everyone may feel that the setting of 650DS is general, nothing more than a seat height of 865mm. But before 2019, the hardest domestic ADV model is only Kaiyue 500X and Seclon's RX500, these two cars compared to the 650DS of Wuji, but not so hard, Wuji with 650DS to complete their commitment to build the hardest ADV in China (of course, the hardest now should be SWM's SD650).
On August 23, 2019, Wuji carried out a 650DS blind fixing activity in Jingdong, the number of blind fixing was 200 units, and everyone did not know what the final price was, it was set, but the result of blind fixing was in line with Wuji's expectations, and the 200 units were quickly fixed.
It was not until a month later at the Chongqing Mozhan that Wuji officially announced the price of 650DS, with a low price of 43,800 yuan, a high price of 45,800 yuan, and an additional price increase of 4,000 yuan for three boxes of the original factory.
After the price was released, the views of domestic Moyou on this car were instantly divided into two factions:
One faction thinks that this price is too expensive, compared to 650MT has no advantage, if only it could be cheaper than 2000.
The other faction has already gotten on the bus, and what these people need is a hardcore ADV, and I dare to buy it if you dare to publish it.
It is not that I speak for the capitalists, the large single cylinder is like this in the domestic market environment, if a car is full of controversy since birth, then its pricing strategy is nothing more than two: one is like the Hengjian Seaway, you say whatever you say, anyway I am cheap; the other is like SWM's SD650, you say whatever you say, anyway I am expensive.
And the 650DS just stuck in the middle of this, the price is not up and down, of course, the 650DS in 2022 is still the price reduction, but this is all afterword...
In addition to the controversy over the price, after the release of the 650DS, there was also a huge crisis, that is, the ABS carried by the original car was inconsistent with the propaganda - the promotion was Bosch ABS, and when the owner picked up the car, abs became a domestic Saifu, which naturally fried the owners, and Wuji faced the situation pointed out by Wanfu in an instant.
Of course, Wuji also responded to this matter, and there are two reasons why Bosch ABS is not used:
First of all, because the matching time of Bosch ABS is too long, in order to deliver the car in advance, the Seffl ABS version is arranged for everyone, and after the future matching is completed, everyone can go to replace it with Bosch ABS.
Secondly, because Bosch ABS cannot be manually closed by button, Bosch does not support this (the law does not allow it), and only domestic SAIFU can support ABS can be closed.
This matter was also a lot of noise at the time (in fact, a more real reason is that the advertising company did not correct bosch ABS to Saifu on the Jingdong pre-sale advertising picture, and Wuji could only carry the pot for this). But this can not blame others, even if saifu ABS is really exactly the same as Bosch in terms of performance, but for consumers, everyone still hopes to use big brand things.
But fortunately, Wuji's attitude is very good, not messed up, but actively followed up the processing, promised to replace the owner with Bosch ABS for free in the later stage, so this matter has passed.
However, a wave of uneven waves rose again, and the infinity 650DS was once again exposed to the incident of nibbling on the sub-axis.
This matter also has to start from a Moyou who likes to open the car, a Moyou is a hardcore ADV enthusiast, and he is really a kind of enthusiast who can ride the bike down the river, he rode this Wuji 650DS for four months to run 10,000 kilometers, during this 10,000 kilometers 650DS performed well, there was no big problem.
However, during a daily ride of the Moyou, the 650DS suddenly lost its power in a strange noise, and he went home to disassemble the car and found that there was a problem with the subshaft of the vehicle.
What is a countershaft?
Simply put, the secondary shaft is the last shaft of the engine to output torque, this shaft and the small flywheel outside the engine are closely connected, and Moyou's 650DS has abnormal wear at the junction of the secondary shaft and the small flywheel, resulting in the engine will still work normally, but the car just can't move.
After this incident appeared, most of the 650DS car owners have become birds of fright, afraid that their cars will also encounter such a situation, but this failure is not a common disease, most of the owners of 20,000 kilometers also encounter this problem, netizens have also begun a debate on this matter, some say that it is a design defect, there are also said that it is because of inadequate maintenance.
However, Wuji did not respond too much to this matter, just silently solved the problem, and finally Wuji's handling of things also made everyone satisfied, according to Mo youqun, Wuji's 650DS with problems with the sub-shaft will provide a lifetime warranty on the countershaft, no need to worry, everyone will ride it.
Although Wuji is very responsible, although the 650DS is indeed a good car, after these two things, most people began to be afraid of this car, afraid to start, and the sales of the 650DS began to decline gradually. However, in addition to the ABS door and the subaxle door, there is also a thing that makes most riders helpless, but also makes many enthusiasts confused.
That is, how much does the 650DS really weigh?
Whenever someone mentions this car, you will definitely see that the 650DS is too heavy to ride! Can you lighten up? Such remarks, but no one can say for sure how much the 650DS really has.
Speaking from the heart, the 650DS is actually not heavy for the hardcore ADV, the single-cylinder model should indeed be light, but its lightness must be based on the use of the model, for an ADV model, its main use scenario is still light / medium rotten road + large area of national highways and other use scenarios, it requires that it can carry the weight of two people plus three boxes and a bunch of things, still can safely and smoothly drive on the road, which is the main reason why ADV models are relatively heavy.
(For example, the KLR650, this car has the problem of crazy load in mind from the design point)
Let's look more realistic, the official website shows that the maintenance quality of 650DS is 210kg, and the maintenance quality of Kawasaki KLR650 is also 208kg (the difference between the two is 2kg), if KLR650 is not rejected by everyone because of "heavy", then 650DS really should not be attacked by everyone because of its weight.
Of course, the large single cylinder also has a car as light as the DR650, which is not only light, it is also cheap. But I believe that you should also be able to find that the DR650 is a completely different car from the KLR650 and 650DS, the DR650 is more like a large quasi-non-paving car, it has no large chassis skid, no water tank, no large fuel tank, no stout fork, no windshield and big hood and other messy things, you will be very happy to ride it on the dirt road, but if you ride it on the high speed against the wind, you will most likely not feel happy.
(166kg of curb weight)
It can be seen that the original design intention of the 650DS is actually a hardcore ADV positioned similar to KLR650, and the bad road motorcycle brigade is in line with its setting, but unfortunately, due to the above tortuous story, the foreign land highway is far more than the basic national conditions of the dirt road, most of the Motorcycle friends can only ride the 650DS at high speed on the flat highway / national road, which makes the 650DS bad road advantage difficult to be played out, and the public's evaluation of the 650DS is only the legend of shock, sinking and ugly.
Today's 650DS because of poor sales, the price has also been adjusted accordingly, the top three-box version is now only 47800 yuan (offline discount is more amazing), and the price of salted fish second-hand is more gratifying, 28,000 to 30,000 yuan can directly receive the top version of the car age of two years, the current price is not fragrant.
It's just a pity that there are still not many people who buy it...
Sociologist Randall Collins once said, "The sign of the end of an era is that it begins to be romanticized", when we begin to pay lip service to the large-displacement single-cylinder motorcycle, and begin to yearn for the explosive feeling that this high torque brings, which often means that its era is over.
Let's look back at the three requirements that 650DS enthusiasts put forward for this car at the beginning of the article: either no shock, or weight loss, or set hard. The above three needs seem reasonable, but if you think about it carefully, you will find that they are full of conflicts - it is impossible for a large single cylinder to be high-speed and not shocked; if you want to meet the complex needs of a multi-functional motorcycle brigade, the overall quality of this car cannot be light; as for setting the hardcore... The height of the KLR650 is 890mm, how many people in China can accept this seat height?
These problems not only make consumers difficult, but also make Wuji difficult, everyone knows that 650DS should be replaced, but no one is sure how the 650DS should be replaced? Or in which direction should it be replaced?
I'm going to talk to you about my humble opinion, if the 650DS is going to be revamped, then Wuji needs to establish a style for this car, either comfortable or radical.
If it can be drastically reformed, then the 650DS is best modeled on the DR650 and KTM 690enduro, giving everyone a relatively extreme choice, because there is no such positioning model in China at present. If Wuji dares to do this, then even if the sales of the 650DS after the revamp are still not good, it can also become a totem in the hearts of domestic single-cylinder car enthusiasts and continue to be bullish.
A high degree of imitation of the KLR650 is also OK, but...
(Its seat height is 890mm ah)
The above ideas I also know is not realistic, for the 650DS this has to change too many things, basically the whole vehicle redo. Some realistic changes can only be said to find a way to suppress the vibration (do their best), change the foot pedal, add an adjustment function for shock absorption, and finally change the seat cushion to the same model as the BMW 650GS, so that everyone can clip the car more conveniently, so that the 650DS can be more icing on the cake.
As for other improvements, alas, it is too difficult.
summary:
Is the 650DS a good car?
The 650DS is definitely a good car, and even if it doesn't improve, it will meet most of your needs for road+ crossing + motorcycle travel. Its engine has the pedigree of the Dakar champion, its setting is hard enough, it is not too much to call it the domestic KLR650, its stability has also been tested by many car owners, although there have been unpleasant small problems before, but after 2021, it has basically been solved, and the new car of the 650DS has also been reduced in price, and the cost performance will only be higher.
Who is the 650DS for?
Single-cylinder emotional party, non-paving enthusiasts, open-minded car enthusiasts, and motorcycle enthusiasts who can clearly define their own car needs, as long as you can adapt to the innate vibration of the large single cylinder, then you will be impressed by its powerful torque, I still can't forget the strong pulling feeling that it brought to the throttle when I first rode the 650DS, only a cool word can show my mood at that time, this feeling of pulling makes me unforgettable for a long time.
But if you just like road travel, or change a two-cylinder ADV, after all, the advantages of the twin-cylinder ADV in vibration control are beyond the short-term unsurpassed by single-cylinder cars. It's not that single-cylinder cars don't work, but that the road infrastructure on the mainland is really too good.
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