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1
Multiple parking spaces "for the elderly"
Rented out privately?
Ms. Chen from Wenzhou is the owner of the Guanlan Times Hanting Community in Xiasha, Hangzhou
She said
After buying a house in the neighborhood in 2018
A number of underground parking spaces have been bought
I plan to use these parking spaces to "collect rent for the elderly"
After moving in last year
She found
Without her consent
Parking spaces were rented
Ms. Chen: I bought seven or eight parking spaces myself, just this row.
Reporter: How many are there in this row?
Ms. Chen: No. 3, No. 4, No. 5 and No. 8.
Reporter: All four of them are yours?
Ms Chan: Yes, yes, yes.
Reporter: How many parking spaces have you taken care of in the community?
Ms. Chen: I have about 50 or 60 (parking spaces) for a dozen or so friends.
Reporter: Is it just in the whole community?
Ms. Chen: Just this community, the Jialangxuan community, two communities.
Ms. Chen introduced
Guanlan Times Langxuan Community and Guanlan Times Hanting Community
It's just a path away
The two neighborhoods are around 2013
Built by the same developer
presently
The two communities merged to form the Owners Committee
A property management company was hired for the unification
Responsible for the maintenance and management of underground parking spaces
Ms. Chen: I have been buying parking spaces since 2018.
Reporter: What do you mean by buying one after another?
Ms. Chen: As far as we have friends who have bought houses, some of them don't live in this community, and they want to sell them, so we still have money left over at that time anyway, so we can't buy a house, and we can buy a few parking spaces.
Reporter: As an investment, right?
Ms. Chen: Yes, yes, yes, it will be used for retirement in the future, haha thinking about collecting rent.
Ms. Chen presented several copies of the Power of Attorney for Parking Spaces
said that it was the Wenzhou villagers who were in a similar situation to her
From 2023, I will entrust the parking space to her for rent or resale
Ms. Chen: I didn't live here for a while, but when I came back in 2023, I found that these parking spaces were all plastered and rented out by others.
Reporter: Didn't you rent it out yourself?
Ms. Chen: No, no, no.
Reporter: So who rented it out?
Ms Chan: I asked about the property, and the property said it was rented by the Owners' Committee.
Reporter: Who did the money go to?
Ms. Chen: The property said that it confiscated the money, and it was all collected by the property committee.
Reporter: Then if you want to collect rent, you should keep an eye on your own parking space?
Ms. Chen: But during that time, I had money, and I didn't care, and I invested elsewhere, so the focus was not here. I put a floor lock on my parking space in 2019, and when I come back in 2023, there will be no ground lock.
Ms. Chen said
As far as she knew
Ground lock on the parking space
It was dismantled uniformly when the garage was renovated with floor paint
Nowadays, the property has a unified sign on the parking space
Once it is rented or sold
The corresponding license plate number will be affixed
Ms. Chan showed a number of photos of different parking spaces
The parking space in the photo is managed by her
But the vehicle and license plate on the parking space
She didn't rent it out
on this
She asked the director of the Owners' Committee
Ms. Chen: He said that I rented it, and then he said that he only rented it out for three months, or a few months, and he refunded me the fee for three months. As soon as the three-month fee was refunded, he said that he didn't make floor paint? The floor paint to make a cost of 800 yuan, he said he couldn't contact me, he did the floor paint first, now I want to claim this parking space, I have to pay the floor paint money first, the floor paint money and then deduct, then there is no money. The landlord rented it out without knowing it, and I don't know how they negotiated it themselves.
August 29, 2023
Ms. Chan signed a contract with the Community Owners Committee
Memorandum on the Situation of Hanting Parking Spaces
Confirmed that there are 13 parking spaces
The lease was carried out before Ms. Chan's "claim."
The lease fee has entered the public account of the operating income of the community"
The two parties reached an agreement
I agree to rent for parking space with confirmation
The deduction includes these 13 parking spaces
A total of 18 parking spaces for floor paint
Ms. Chen said
Later, more Wenzhou villagers entrusted her to operate parking spaces
I claim it from the Owners' Committee every time
They were told that the rent was just enough to offset the cost of floor paint
She felt unreasonable
It is hoped that the Owners' Committee will produce relevant evidence
The reporter also consulted a lawyer about this
Chen Songtao, lawyer of Zhejiang Fengguo Law Firm: You haven't been looking for several years now, and you can't know when this parking space was occupied and when it was rented. If you want to claim your losses, then Ms. Chen has the responsibility to produce evidence to prove how long your parking space has been used by others without authorization, so that you can rely on this evidence and ask others to compensate.
Ms. Chen introduced
She also looked for properties
I would like to check the status of the license plate entry
That's when she knew
Fifty or sixty parking spaces on hand
More than half of them have not paid a parking fee to the property
Ms. Chen: Then you are going to use this parking space, you just came to deal with this parking space, if you don't use it for the time being, don't you just leave it, do you have to pay it?
Reporter: Ah, that's what you think?
Ms. Chen: Yes, yes, yes.
Reporter: Has the intermediate property contacted you?
Ms Chan: No.
Reporter: But if it is under management, you should still have to pay this management fee.
Ms. Chen: Then I have already paid it all, I have paid it all, and I have paid it all when they say to pay.
Reporter: But I don't come every year in between.
Ms. Chen: Yes, there was no one at that time, you said mine was useless, right?
Ms. Chen showed the reporter a list
It is densely filled with 59 sets of numbers
Ranging from more than 2190 to more than 1470
Ms. Chen said
Each number represents when she claimed her parking space
Fees paid to the property
Ms. Chen: The total amount of money I have handed over now is more than 108,400 yuan.
Reporter: Of the nearly 60 parking spaces, did they tell you when they started renting them out?
Ms Chan: No.
Reporter: How much does each parking space cost?
Ms. Chen: If they didn't give me any data, they wouldn't give it, and he said no, there would be no one. And then if I keep struggling with him about it, he won't record my license plate, and my tenant just won't be able to go down to the basement. If I'm like that, who's going to rent my parking space, right? Then my loss will be even greater.
2
"Random parking" was found at the scene
It is difficult to query the history
Ms. Chen said
Since last year
She has been in communication with the property and the property committee
Around this year's Qingming Festival
She reflected the situation to the territorial community
I hope the community can help retrieve the license plate entry information
Ms Chen: The community has also been involved in communication for a month, but there has been no progress. Then I'm wondering now, that's my private property, right? Just the parking space in the basement, how can I guarantee that Longfor Property can be, that is, it will not be rented out again.
Ms. Chen said
She hasn't claimed a parking space yet
There was also a car parked above
The vehicle registration number has not been confirmed by the Owners' Council
She thinks it has something to do with the property
Ms. Chen: The 005 parking space next to it, that one is my friend's, she only plans to sell, not rent, so you see the car is still parked, I don't know this, you look at these, these should be.
Reporter: The license plate has not been affixed yet.
Ms. Chen: I pasted it, but I just tore it off.
Reporter: Did you rent this car?
Ms Chan: No.
Reporter: I don't know who stopped in?
Ms. Chen: Yes, yes, yes.
Reporter: How did you put down the property?
Ms. Chen: I don't know, I don't know if they lift the pole and put it down, so I'm very, how can the private property of our owner be guaranteed?
Find the Community Property Customer Service Center
The front desk staff said
The head office media contact staff is required to reply
Then
A staff member chimed in
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center Staff: You go to the community.
Reporter: Huh? Why go to the community?
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center staff: Because of that, find the community to connect.
Reporter: Her parking space was parked by another car. Shouldn't this be the property side? What does it have to do with the community?
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center staff: Because of their matter, at that time, well, this, Mr. Chen, you should also know about the matter.
Ms. Chen said
I want to know the car parked in the 005 parking space first
In the end, there is no access to the underground garage
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center Staff: Well, it may be my car parked in that parking space.
Reporter: Is it your car?
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center Staff: Yes, yes.
Reporter: Your staff's own car?
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center staff: Yes, yes, I also discussed this matter with Mr. Chen at that time.
Ms. Chen: Isn't it 170 (parking space) that you want to park? Isn't it 170 (parking space) for you?
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center staff: 170 is someone, 170 I didn't stop and stop the other.
Ms. Chen: Then last time, you called me yesterday and told me that you wanted to park at 170, and I said that you should park at 170, but you didn't say stop 005.
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center Staff: Then I parked before, do you mean a black Mercedes-Benz?
Ms Chan: Ah, yes.
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center Staff: So I parked two cars.
Ms. Chen: Then you just want two parking spaces for me, hahaha.
Property media docking staff: We went to check this, and the staff had a verbal agreement with the owner, and it was indeed parked in the agreed parking space that day.
Reporter: No, what we photographed at the time was not there.
Property media docking staff: If there is indeed a situation of random parking, then we will also do a good job of communication and management with our own staff.
This media docking person introduced
The property does not have the authority to lift the pole to release the vehicle
Parking spaces are available for all vehicles entering the underground parking garage
The owner of the car needs to rely on the certificate of ownership and the parking space lease contract
or a license from the owner of the parking space
The property will register the license plate to the parking system
Property media docking personnel: After registration, the vehicle can automatically identify the pole in and out, and other vehicles are not able to enter and exit at will.
As for the situation where Ms. Chen's parking space was rented out without permission
The property aspect is emphasized
They only cooperated with the Owners' Committee in the registration of the vehicle plates
Specific parking space leasing, negotiation, charging, etc
None of them are involved
Property media docking staff: The tenant negotiates the time and amount of the lease with the property committee, and then we come to assist in some of the signing process, the payment is not ours, and we enter the license plate number when signing the contract.
As for Ms. Chen's request to check the license plate entry information
Staff introduction
The community has been delivered since 2013
I have changed 3 property companies
They moved in at the end of 2020
I can't find any information from before
Other than that
The system can only view the license plate currently registered in the parking space
There is no way to query historical information
Ms. Chen said that she could not accept this
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center Staff: So I suggest you go to the community, Mr. Chen's affairs have been communicated, and they have been communicating for more than a month.
Reporter: Can you help us contact the industry committee? Because I saw that her relevant seal was from the Owners Committee.
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center Staff: You can contact yourself.
Reporter: Is it inconvenient for you to contact me here?
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan Property Service Center Staff: You just go to the community to ask, and when the time comes, like your media, the community will say it uniformly.
3
In order to solve the parking difficulty
"Deemed ownerless" after the announcement
The reporter found the local community with Ms. Chen
Under the coordination of the staff
I contacted Director Qian of the Community Business Committee
Director Qian of the industry committee told reporters
In order to increase the operating income of the community
And alleviate the problem of parking difficulties in the community
Back in 2022
The community owners committee has held a general meeting of all owners
A resolution was voted through
Put more than 20 public parking spaces in the basement
and long-vacant "ownerless parking spaces" rented out to residents of the community
Director Qian, the 3rd Business Committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: Our community was delivered in 2013, and after so many years, some of the underground parking spaces have been vacant. It should have been the year before last, we rented out a part, and the money from the rental went into the public account of the community.
Reporter: Have you confirmed whether these parking spaces are owned or unowned?
Director Qian, the third business committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: So we also issued an announcement on the claim of parking spaces.
Director Qian sent a photo of the parking space claim announcement
The announcement said
There is no actual contact person in the basement parking space of the community
Never paid the parking space management fee" and other issues
The owner of the parking space is required to be before September 30, 2022
Claim the parking space and pay the fee
Overdue will be treated as "treated as no owner-owned parking space"
Ms. Chen said
I didn't live in the community before
Not sure about this announcement
Director Qian, the third business committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: We are also doing this to solve the problem of parking difficulties in the community, we are not for ourselves, we are for the public interest.
Ms. Chen: This series of operations has not been authorized by the owner, so how can I be protected by the rights of my owner, which is this kind of private property?
Director Qian, the 3rd Owners Committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: The owners come to reflect the parking difficulties, and we, as the property committee, have to consider the community, and the parking difficulties should be taken into account. After buying so many parking spaces, it has been so empty, don't you think it's annoying?
Ms. Chen: If I buy it, will I admit it? Is it just what they do? The law doesn't stipulate that if I buy this parking space, I must claim it immediately, there should be no such rule, right?
Director Qian, the third property committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: Like this kind of speculative tenants, you monopolize the parking space and don't pay the management fee, and you have been a property for three years. There are so many parking spaces and I don't come to claim them, and it is really difficult to park in our community later. It's been empty for so many years, and it seems that no one wants it. We thought it was the developer's and didn't sell it.
Director Qian said
In front of the taxi stand
They also asked the developer about the sale of parking spaces
Director Qian, the third business committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: The developer has not replied, and I have checked before, and I should have sent a letter to the developer, but I did not receive a reply, so we thought that these parking spaces were ownerless. Anyway, there has been no owner to claim it, and no one has come to pay the management fee.
Reporter: No, the developer didn't reply to you, you should actually ask the developer, and it's more appropriate to ask the developer before renting it out.
Director Qian, the third property committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: I also went to ask about the property at that time.
Property media docking staff: One is that when we entered the site to make the delivery, the previous property did not provide us with some information about the relevant parking spaces, and then we also asked the developer at the same time, and the other party replied to us that the information could not be found, so so far our property has not been able to grasp the accurate information of the parking spaces of this project.
Regarding the Owners' Committee's Consideration of These Parking Spaces as "Unowned Parking Spaces"
and carry out the practice of renting
What do lawyers think?
Chen Songtao, lawyer of Zhejiang Fengguo Law Firm: It actually has no legal basis, and it can also be said that it is illegal. Because Ms. Chen bought a parking space, whether she was flipping a house or living in it for herself, she bought it with money, and she enjoyed the ownership of this parking space. Therefore, others are not allowed to rent out her parking space without her consent.
Director Qian said
They had already refunded the rental space to Ms. Chan last year
The two sides also signed a Memorandum of Understanding
He thinks that Ms. Chan has brought up the old story again
It's to get more compensation
Director Qian, the third business committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: In fact, I roughly calculated the cumulative amount, and it reached more than 50,000 or 60,000 yuan. I heard that she proposed an amount, what is 1120,000, and she wants us to compensate her for such an amount.
Ms. Chen: I mean, I paid more than 100,000 yuan in parking space management fees, and I didn't let them compensate so much. But I'm now, and I'm going to show this evidence, which is that I want a record in this parking space.
Local community workers corroborated Ms. Chen's account
said that there was a misunderstanding in the compensation of more than 100,000 yuan that Director Qian said
Ms. Chan emphasized
She hoped that the Owners' Committee would produce the account of the car parking space lease
Negotiate again
Ms. Chen: You said you would stop for three months, did you want to show me the contract? You're renting out my parking space now, are you going to give me a copy of this?
Reporter: When we rented out this parking space before, did we check the relevant records and income accounts with Ms. Chen?
Director Qian, the third business committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: We have all the accounts, and our community has also seen our accounts.
Director Hu, Guanlan Community, Qiantang District, Hangzhou: The account he showed me was the income of the entire lease of its (public account), and there was no breakdown, just like he said, there was no clear parking space number.
Director Qian, the 3rd Business Committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: Sometimes we can't find out, because we have more than 20 vacant seats, so we must consider renting out our seats first, right? So the current account can be correct, but it may not be very clear.
Ms. Chen: Isn't China all about human feelings, so everyone has a better attitude, and we still have negotiations. If the attitude is not good, then you should give it to me, and you should not give me any less points.
Reporter: You just have to check the accounts first, right?
Ms. Chen: Yes, I must have made it clear first.
4
Make an appointment to audit the accounts together
Can you stop stepping on the "thunder"
Both the property and the property committee said
in the existing parking system and accounts
I can't find out the specific rental situation of the parking space
Ms. Chan insisted on getting to the bottom of it
How long has your parking space been rented?
How much is the rental income
The journalist proposed
Let's take a look back at 2022
How many so-called "ownerless parking spaces" are there in the community?
Director Qian, the third property committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: There should be a property there, because I don't have this specific number here.
Reporter: If you don't have a specific number, then how can you be sure that this parking space has no owner, and then it can be rented to others?
Director Qian, the third business committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: There is no one to claim it below, there are claims and unclaimed properties on the property side, this is known.
Reporter: That's right, how many unclaimed parking spaces are there?
Director Qian, the third business committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: There must be dozens, I think.
Property media docking staff: We checked it at the time and found that there were 143 "ownerless parking spaces", and then until now, the system data shows that the owners have successively claimed 58 parking spaces, that is, the rest are still ownerless parking spaces.
Director Qian, the third business committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: These parking spaces are actually empty, everyone knows, for example, the owner bought a parking space in a relatively far place, and he found that there was a nearby one under his own house, and no one wanted this parking space, so they parked there directly. In fact, there are a lot of parking spaces, which are not rented by us.
According to property statistics
Hanting and Langxuan two communities
There are a total of 1,453 underground parking spaces
The number of parking spaces in Ms. Chen's hands
This accounts for about 5% of the total
She thinks
Director Qian said on the one hand
Parking spaces in the community are tight and parking is difficult
On the other hand, it was said
Underground parking spaces have been vacant for a long time
Owners can park on their own
The two statements contradict each other
Director Qian, the 3rd Business Committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: We can't be sure, for example, which parking space we rented out this time. We confirm that this is more difficult.
Reporter: How can this not be determined You can't determine which number this parking space is, so you let people park this car, this is not reasonable, it doesn't make sense.
Director Qian of the 3rd Business Committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: They transferred the money to our public account, and then we asked the property to be recorded.
Reporter: Yes, so can't you pull out the list like this?
Property media docking personnel: Once the leased parking space is entered and refreshed, then some data in the early stage will be overwritten, and it is necessary to query the license plate that is now entered into the system, and we can cooperate. However, if you want to have a detailed lease account, then you still need to provide it from the property committee.
Director Qian of the 3rd Business Committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: Our general ledger is there, how much we collect, how much we return, because there are some parking spaces on the way they will come to return, this specific I want to ask, whether its system on the property side has this function.
Property media docking staff: The property committee is equivalent to our Party A, so we can only do some cooperative work, but in fact, in this process, there is no middle between the property, for example, there is any share and so on. We're just helping them with this, so we'd like to take this opportunity to make a clarification.
A little later
The media docking staff of the property said
According to their latest investigation
The property was previously assisting the Owners Committee in handling the registration of license plates and signing the contract
A lease contract will be retained
Details of these contracts
"No specific statistics have been made
It cannot be ruled out that there are a small number of tenants who have not signed a contract, direct rent, etc
Absence of contracts"
They will contact Ms Chan after sorting it out
As far as they know
Rental of car parking spaces rented out by the Owners' Committee
At about $3,000 per year
Ms. Chen: It's not 3,000 yuan, they're 300 yuan a month, hahaha, you see, I have data here. If it really needs to be used on the owner or whatever, then we'll forget it anyway.
Ms. Chen: But at least let the owners of Longxuan know that part of their income comes from me, the owner.
Reporter: For example, if you go back and ask a third party to audit the accounts, is it okay on your side?
Director Qian, the third business committee of Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan: Yes, I can do it.
In the presence of the local community staff
Ms. Chen and Director Qian made an appointment to audit the accounts together in a few days
The community said
They will also ask for the owners' committee
Find out the previous parking space rental contract as soon as possible
Director Hu, Guanlan Community, Qiantang District, Hangzhou: We ask the property committee to make statistics, including the behavior of stopping renting, and after stopping renting, there will definitely be a data coming out, how many cars have been rented in parking spaces.
Reporter: Have you reported it to us before?
Director Hu, Guanlan Community, Qiantang District, Hangzhou: Not yet, we will ask for it, and we will send it a clear letter after a while today.
Other than that
The property side said
In order to better protect Ms. Chen's parking rights
They have a suggestion
Property media docking staff: If she still has some unclaimed parking spaces, she can provide some information on the ownership of some parking spaces to our property as soon as possible, then we will arrange personnel to hang up the license plate number, or say that some brands like their own parking spaces do not occupy.
Ms. Chen said
She has to wait until the account is checked and the dispute is negotiated
Then consider continuing to claim the parking space
Ms. Chen: They are trying to avoid my parking spaces, because now that I'm alone there to do things with them, they want to send me away, and the rest can be rented with confidence, because they don't know if they will step on my "thunder" again.
Hangzhou Guanlan Times Hanting/Langxuan 3rd Industry Committee Director Qian: She seems to feel like fishing for you, this time she said five or eight parking spaces, she first went down to see, these five or eight parking spaces are you renting for me, if she comes to settle a batch of accounts with us, like we rent out the empty ones for her, she also took the money for nothing. Ask her how many she has, and she won't say. After a while, she took five or six more out and came to us, and she just asked us to rent it out for her.
Ms. Chen: If it is true that the accounts have not been rented, then I will not force people to compensate me. But if it is found out, then you also have to give me an explanation, right?
Reporter: Do you want to help you share the property fee?
Ms. Chen: Yes, yes, yes, it should be like this.
Reporter: Is the specific price negotiable?
Ms Chan: That's right, that's right.