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Zhang Lu: You just said that this scientific rationality is taught, and I think that aesthetic education cannot emphasize this thing too much, because the scientific rational things are generally accurate and rigorous. But what is beautiful has a very vague boundary, then this vague boundary makes people imagine and be creative, and it walks in this vague boundary. So when you say scientific rational education, I think it is precisely what we may want to avoid in aesthetic education. That is to say, the first lady just now, she talked about painting shrimp, and she did not finish that paragraph. I think she's against that kind of teaching. That is to say, I got a standard shrimp, a shrimp drawn by Qi Baishi, and all the children followed this shrimp painting. Draw a black line here, click a few dots, get a few whiskers, get something. The shrimp painted ended up being the same as Qi Baishi's. But Qi Baishi said something in those years, saying, "Those who learn from me are born, and those who are like me die." Then the shrimp painted in this way are all a model, in our Chinese painting circle you are not a painter, what is called, called craftsmanship, you are a painter, everything you paint is standardized, then this is not art.