Reporter Lu Mi reported that according to the plan, Shaanxi Chang'an Athletic began the first phase of winter training of the new season in Chengdu. Wang Baoshan, who had just taken over the Shaanxi team's handsome seal, was full of ambition.
"King of relegation" and "Master of Chong Chao", this is the label of Wang Baoshan, the Shaanxi team invited Wang Baoshan, the goal is to rush over. At the beginning of his own football career, Wang Baoshan hopes to use the most essential things in football to bring some better changes to the football level to Shaanxi fans.
He was one of the three contenders for the national team coach, a member of the technical committee of the Chinese Football Association, and has a good understanding of the current Chinese league and the situation of Chinese men's and women's football, and he has a lot of his own thoughts and views.
◆ "Football": This time you went to Shaanxi to coach, what kind of process was it?
Wang Baoshan: Last year I happened to meet this club in Xi'an to start the shareholding system transformation, and it also coincided with the National Games, where I had contact with the Sports Bureau and various places in Shaanxi, which made me have the idea of doing something for my hometown team.
◆ Known as "Shaanxi's first international" (in fact, the first international should be Xia Yongwei), what is the significance of your football career?
I think the only meaning is that Shaanxi has cultivated me from my playing days, so I also have a sense of gratitude to my hometown and want to do something for the development of football here.
◆ Every year you return to Shaanxi to visit your relatives, and you have been paying attention to the development of football here, what do you think of Shaanxi football?
Shaanxi football has a very deep fan base, and everyone knows that the football market in Shaanxi is very hot, and the enthusiasm of fans for football is very high. Previously, due to many objective factors, there has been no team on the high-level platform. In the past two years, fans in various places have no home to see, and I hope that the fans in Shaanxi will be able to see their teams participate in higher-level leagues on the spot like fans in other places after the epidemic is over. I think through my own efforts, I can create a new direction for this team.
◆ Shaanxi team used to be in the middle two period, you were very concerned, just because this is a Shaanxi team?
Not only that, it's just one aspect, this club has been around for 6 years from its inception to today, and every time I come back, I see that Shaanxi fans and Shaanxi localities have paid great attention to this team. After digging deeper, I think that although the development of the club in the past has been limited by financial difficulties, it can still get the support and love of many fans, and there is a reason for this.
The deeper reason is that I see that the management of Chang'an Athletic Club has a lot of things that other clubs in China don't have in football. For example, they have a new understanding of football, an understanding of football management. There are five or six managers in the club who have returned from studying in the UK, graduated from graduate school, and have been engaged in sports planning and sports marketing for many years, and I believe that most clubs in China lack such professional managers. From the club's inception to the present, they have been doing professional things all these years.
◆ Judging from the situation of this team in the Middle B period, what was your judgment on the future development of this team at that time?
From the time this team was in the second division, I was very confident in the future of this club.
◆ Shaanxi is a province full of strong football colors, with a large fan base, you are the first international footballer to go out from Shaanxi, what kind of expectations have you always had for the development of football here?
Everyone wants their hometown to be good in all aspects, and as a football person, I naturally hope that the football cause in my hometown can prosper. Shaanxi is a big cultural province, in the past, football here has not achieved certain results like other places with better development in China, I will feel some shortcomings, so when I return here, I also want to help the club, help Shaanxi football, and complete some goals.
Football: For you personally, you haven't coached in the first team for almost a whole year, what have you done during this time?
Wang Baoshan: In the past year, because of the previous contract with TEDA, I did not coach in the first team, and I also used this time to go deep into many places and participate in many activities. The future development of Chinese football, especially the foundation of youth football, feels worrying. I am thinking about a problem, Chinese football in the past ten years, invested a lot of financial and manpower, but our league level and the level of the national team, did not achieve the corresponding results in the improvement and progress, let me very worried. I think practitioners, including me, should think more about what we are not doing well, which areas we should improve, and so on.
◆ What is the current situation of the Shaanxi team, and what do you think is the most important task before the start of the new season?
The main thing I think is two, one is to understand the team, build a good team, and strive to make the team's personnel structure more reasonable and reasonable. The second is to improve the overall technical and tactical ability through training.
◆ You have been leading the team in the Chinese Super League for a long time, known as the "king of relegation", earlier you had the experience of continuous super success, some people will call you "super master", which of the two titles prefer?
I don't really care which one I like, as long as football, I like it. I think football itself is a challenge, specific to every game.
◆ In that year, he led Chengdu ChongChao, and later led Chongqing Lifan ChongChao, which did not invest much, was there any similarity or difference between the Chong Chao at that time and the current Chong Chao?
If you think more of it may come from this material aspect, you want to take Sheffield United to succeed at that time, the rush investment of that year, that is, more than 10 million less than 20 million, we will complete the Chinese Super League. By the time you bring the sails, it becomes 50 million. Then look at the situation in recent years, the current team overtaking must be more than one hundred million, two hundred million. Over the years, the overall income situation and price situation of the players have changed a lot, but I think we should pursue some of the things that football should be.
Like I just said, in the past ten years, Chinese football has spent so much money, but it has not achieved corresponding results, and has not made our national team and league higher. Some are only from the perspective of ornamentation, because of the reasons of big-name foreign aid and foreign teachers, there are a lot of looks, but in essence, our level has not only not improved, but shown a downward trend. Judging from the performance of the national team, is the level of the national team a true reflection of the league?
◆ On the front line again, is your state of mind different from before?
If there is a difference, the only difference is that this is the team in my hometown. The content of the work, and my state of mind about the work will not change, I just said, I want to present the essence of football, this is what I am trying to do now.
◆ How do you think you define your coaching stage now?
I've had a lot of discussions with Xu Zong at our club and I feel that age is not a decisive factor in doing anything. There is only one factor that hinders you, and that is to give up the pace of knowledge and stop the pace of continuous learning. Football is also the same truth, it is also improving every year, it is also changing, no matter what stage of the coaching career, you can not take the past to look at today's football. Therefore, no matter at what stage of my life or coaching career, I am learning and pursuing my own progress.
◆ "Football": The expansion of the Chinese Super League, last season, two teams in the Chinese First Division directly advanced, two teams and the Chinese Super League team played a play-off to win, why can the Chinese First Division team behave so strongly?
Wang Baoshan: I have watched all the play-offs, and I think that in addition to the two teams that naturally went up, the two teams in the play-offs, what I saw was that they had more desire and motivation for the Chinese Super League. The two Relegated Chinese Super League teams, leaving aside the technical, tactical, playing style, employment and other aspects, in the pursuit of the above, the two Chinese First Division teams may do better.
◆ In the past few years, you have been coaching Chinese Super League teams, in your opinion, the competitiveness of Chinese Super League teams is now a little bit lower than two years earlier, is it a bit down?
There are mainly two aspects, one is that there are fewer and fewer high-level foreign aid; the second is that in the absence of high-level foreign aid, it highlights that domestic players have not improved for so many years.
What is the purpose of inviting these high-level foreign aid? Taking Japan and South Korea as an example, the original intentions and concepts of foreign aid are different, resulting in a thousand miles of poor results. The purpose of the Japanese and Korean leagues to invite foreign aid is not only to improve the team's competitiveness and performance, but also to let their own players learn from foreign aid, which is fundamental. I am afraid that we have not done enough in this regard, or at all. If league decision makers and club managers don't have this idea, then the players can't have it.
When I was playing in the Japanese league, there was a clause in my contract with the club, which made it clear that I had another responsibility as a foreign aid, that is, after I trained every day, I had to take some young Japanese players to play football and teach them to play football. This is not another salary, it is my responsibility. At that time, there were also many Chinese players playing in Japan, including Shen Xiangfu, and our work after training every day was like this.
◆ After the league without big-name foreign aid, how to make up for the gap?
Like I've emphasized before, present the essence of football. Over the years, I have been in contact with many teams, such as my deep foot in the middle of the first division and later Tianjin Teda, the first class found that the physical fitness of the players is very bad, do not have the physical ability to complete a game, before me led the team is Eriksen, Stilik, both of them are world famous coaches, why in China there is such a basic problem? It's true that our training is problematic.
The national team just played against Japan and Vietnam. Before the game against the Vietnamese team, I told the people around me that we simply didn't have the ability to beat people. My basis is my understanding of the current situation of Vietnamese football and the performance of Chinese football in the first leg of the match with Vietnam. The level of progress is not as good as others, and the technical ability is not enough, which shows that our training intensity and time are not enough. If you want to master the technology, or to master the technology, it takes a lot of time, and there can be no qualitative change without time accumulation, which is what I just said, to return the essence of football.
We have hired a lot of high-level foreign teachers, why can't their training time and content be reflected in domestic players? Because foreign players have played the basic skills since they were young, foreign teachers come to China to coach, it is impossible to grasp the basic skills when a professional player prepares for the game. When I led the Chinese Super League, I still had to teach them to shoot, cross, and put on the big-name foreign coaches, which was basically impossible.
◆ Technical problems, young players also have, indicating that there are big problems with the quality of our youth training and the foundation of the foundation?
Now look at the Europa League, the 19-23-year-old players are the main force, and we are still cultivating players in this age group as seedlings, which shows that our youth football level and technical ability are backward. Like when I was a player, 23-year-olds were the main players of the national team, but how many main players are we 23 years old now? The U23 policy of that year was also a helpless move, trying to create opportunities for young players to play, but because most U23s did not have that ability, it also reduced the quality and level of the league. If you go and count how many thirty-five or six-year-old veterans are still playing in the league last year, and they can still be the main players, it means that the players behind them still can't keep up.
◆ In terms of league operation, many clubs are undergoing share reform, in your opinion, can this really help the league out of the real predicament?
I'll have to look at that again. In the past, we did have irregular investment in football, but it is not simply that the low level of the league and the difficulty of survival are caused by the high income of the players. Strictly speaking, our football market is not like europe, and there is a lot of unfair investment and competition in football and leagues under the operation of the market. According to the previous investment ratio, where is the competitiveness of investing a few hundred million and investing more than 2 billion teams? I think there are some problems with our overall design. Because you are not a football under the real market operation, but simply rely on the investment of investors to determine life and death, then today's situation cannot be avoided.
◆ Now that many private enterprises have gradually withdrawn from the professional football stage, there may be more state-owned assets and state-owned enterprises in the future to become the dominant players of various levels of league clubs, in the process of stock reform, what should the dominant people pay attention to?
Since it is reform, it will certainly produce pain for a period of time, depending on how long this pain will last. What is the final result I really don't know, why say I don't know? Because it involves the new holdings of state-owned enterprises now, how much they know about football and how much they know about running football, I don't know. Football has the laws of football, and it is not enough to like it. The participation of state-owned enterprises, I think first of all, is a very good thing, but in the process of specifically operating and managing the operation of the club, there is indeed a way to go, which is what I call respecting the laws of football.
◆ "Football": Chinese football has become a hot spot many times recently, because of the defeat of men's football, but also because women's football has once again reached the top of Asia, many people have used the achievements of women's football to ridicule men's football, what is your opinion on this?
Wang Baoshan: I first want to applaud the women's football girls, and then I think the men's football team should learn from the women's football team. Learning their spirit, this is not an empty phrase, I learned about some women's football training, they are indeed more hard, at least in terms of time and training, they are longer than men's football.
◆ In the past year, the Chinese Super League has made way for the national team, for the top 12 matches, the whole country has given a lot of support, but the men's football team has returned home, what are your thoughts?
It really can't be said that we were not fully prepared, the whole league gave way to the national team, but it did not work well. From the perspective of law, it should cause managers to think. In the past, when there was no epidemic, let the league make way for the national team, and still be able to maintain the state of the game with some warm-up matches, but now under the epidemic, it is difficult to have the opportunity to play a warm-up game for the national football team, and the league at this time gives way, but it loses the key period when the players exercise and maintain their status through the league.
◆ When the men's football team was defeated by Vietnam, as an international footballer of the older generation, how did you feel?
Losing to Vietnam, I felt the same way as all the fans. In terms of national strength, we are a big country, and our international status is much higher than that of our opponents in terms of population and economy. Maybe it's overlooked, or perhaps a lot of people don't understand what Vietnamese football has been doing in recent years, or even what we're doing ourselves. So I knew from the beginning that we couldn't beat Vietnam. Although the first game was won 3-2, whether it was the technology or the content of the game, the ability to pass and receive the ball, the opponent was higher than us. A few years ago, in the U23 Asian Cup, in suzhou, Vietnam won the runner-up, and we were already out of the group stage. So I don't understand why we are still blindly optimistic, blindly confident.
◆ Chinese women's football and Japan, South Korea's matches, you have seen it, the technical ability of Japanese women's football is above the Chinese women's football team, what do you think is the reason why women's football can go to the end?
I think there are two aspects, first, the gap between the Japanese men's football team and the Chinese men's football team is greater than the gap between the Japanese women's football team and the Chinese women's football team. In the case of a small gap, the physical conditions of our Chinese women's football team are stronger than that of the Japanese women's football team, and coupled with the spiritual level, we are even better.
We saw that it was a difficult game, so I said to applaud the women's girls. What does football bring to everyone? In addition to the technical and tactical enjoyment similar to art, it is more of a spiritual level, and I have also believed that there is still something missing in football education in our country over the years. The so-called football education, not to say as a coach or as a club leader, as an industry manager to shout a few slogans to the players, this is to run through the life of professional players, such as some of the social responsibilities they have to bear, etc., this is called education.
◆ After the women's football team won the championship, many people also believe that the women's football team should have more capital intervention, but there are also some opposition voices, what do you think?
I think women's football is also football, and I hope that there is capital to intervene in women's football. Because I understand the current situation of domestic women's football, especially the economic situation is not very good, I think that women's football should be given a reasonable tilt in policy and capital investment to improve their training facilities and corresponding material security.
◆ You are a member of the technical committee of the Football Association, from your professional point of view, the domestic coach and foreign coach belt of the men's football team have tried, is it inevitable that the men's football team will achieve such a result?
Because our male football players' own basic ability is not enough, we can no longer dwell on the question of whether the national team should be brought by foreign coaches or domestic coaches. The conclusion I gave is that the technical ability is not up to the level, and it is useless to bring it, so it is not a problem of the coach, it is inevitable.
It is not a question of having money or no money, but also has to be implemented in youth training, which is a very systematic project, not a slogan that is shouted every year. Now we're also doing youth leagues, but what about just having a league? Many people have said that Syria has been fighting for many years, the people are not happy, we have a difficult time playing the Syrian national team, they have no campus football, there is no U23 league. Although their country is in distress, what you can see through the camera is that children playing football in the ruins abound.
◆ When the national team was selected as a coach, you competed with Li Xiaopeng and Li Tie, and then Li Tie was selected, and the current national team coach was another competitor, Li Xiaopeng, if you let you take the national team in the early or late stage, what will be the result?
Seriously, I didn't think about it. First of all, I think that I don't have this ability, and at the same time, I know the technical ability and position personnel of these existing players in China, and I also know the strength level of Asian teams such as South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Australia, and I think our players do not have the technical ability to compete with them.