An old man, who often brings a few foreigners on the stage to amuse the audience, is the impression that Ding Guangquan left on most of the audience. Ding Guangquan has loved the art of cross-talk since childhood and is a disciple of the cross-talk master Hou Baolin. He took foreign apprentices and taught them cross-talk, which was controversial. Ding Guangquan became a chinese cultural disseminator, and was awarded the titles of "World Art Master" and "World Outstanding Chinese Artist", and the reputation of "Beijing Foreign Sect Leader" also spread to all over the world. However, for Ding Guangquan, who is already nearly ancient, what he values most is how to inherit the art of cross-talk and be a "messenger of laughter".
[People live in the world, and every day is inseparable from laughter.] 】
Xiao Chao: Teacher Ding, as soon as I heard your laughter, I came to the spirit. You not only enjoy yourself, but you also bring this happiness to others, do you think you can bring happiness to others this kind of professional happiness?
Ding Guangquan: Very happy, I think this thing is complementary. Because when you feel unhappy and unhappy yourself, you can't convey that pleasant mood to others. I conveyed my smile to everyone, and everyone also conveyed their happy mood to me, making me more happy and happier.
Xiao Chao: The process of conveying happiness is also very pleasant in itself. So is this joy innate?
Ding Guangquan: I think this should be cultivated and exercised for a long time. Crosstalk can make everyone like and make everyone happy. First, because it is an artistic expression of Chinese and Chinese dialects and culture; second, it is the most important thing is to cultivate everyone's laughing nerves and make everyone happy. This kind of laughter is absolutely mutual, you laugh at me, I will laugh at you.
Xiao Chao: Smiling is a process of happiness, and ultimately a result of communication and exchange.
Ding Guangquan: Yes, that's right. Say cross-talk well, although there are some techniques, or some skills, but why can you perform better and better, the audience to give you stimulation and feedback this is the most important.
Xiao Chao: Stimulation is the nerve of laughter. Do you think that when people live in this world, the laughing nerve is crucial?
Ding Guangquan: It's too important. In a person's life, every day can not cry, but can not be separated from laughter.
As the messengers of our laughter, we can bring some laughter to everyone, and I feel very relieved. No matter how difficult it is for you, you should also refine your laughter nerves.
Ding Guangquan has been unremittingly engaged in the cross-talk cause he loves, on the stage, he fully mobilizes his laughing nerves, sends joy to everyone, and he also tastes happiness from it; in life, he laughs at life with a positive attitude, uses the "art of laughter" to convey the philosophy of life, and becomes a veritable "messenger of laughter". However, real life is sometimes cruel, and when Ding Guangquan was young, a grim reality was placed in front of his eyes, and it also tested the laughter nerves of this cross-talk actor who took laughter as his profession.
[When he learned of his mother's death, he still insisted on speaking cross-talk on stage.] 】
Ding Guangquan: My mother died in the eighth year, when I was working in the military cultural and industrial corps. In the process of performing, my sister called and said that my mother was no longer able to do it, it had passed. I was going to be on stage soon, what kind of mood do you think I was in? But I went on stage to perform crosstalk, I couldn't bring this emotion of my own to others, and even at that time I didn't tell our political commissar or regimental commander about this matter, I still went on stage with a smile, and the excitement of the audience infected me. During that time, I forgot about my deep pain. After the performance, I was crying with a headache. It sounds a bit brutal, but actually all of our actors encounter the same things. In front of the audience, you have to complete your mission, and your mission is to be a "messenger of laughter".
Xiao Chao: In your story, I found such a truth: originally happiness seems so simple, in fact, happiness is sometimes a realm.
Ding Guangquan: Yes, in fact, happiness also needs to be controlled by itself.
【Memories of Childhood】
Xiao Chao: Just now you told your mother's past, let's start from the past. When you were young, you began to remember at that time when you had memories, what was your family like?
Ding Guangquan: My family is a poor family and an urban poor. My father was older at that time, and we had more children. There are 13 families living in the courtyard, a total of 26 houses, the smallest one is 6 square meters, and the largest one is 9 square meters. Mom and Dad plus 7 children, our family is a total of 9 people living in 16 square meters. When it came time to eat, the house couldn't fit at all.
Xiao Chao: Inside the house, there is only one place to sleep, and there is no place to eat.
Ding Guangquan: Eating can only be in the courtyard. The residents in the courtyard are not the kind of rich people. Only one household has a radio.
Xiao Chao: It's called a drama box.
Ding Guangquan: Yes, the drama box, in fact, every day to eat is a big party, and the biggest pleasure is that people open the theater box, put the volume to the maximum, and let the whole hospital listen. At that time, we listened to some cross-talk, book commentary, drums, opera, and Peking Opera, and from that, I got to know Teacher Hou Baolin.
Xiao Chao: Later, the profession I engaged in was to convey happiness to others, which is a very happy profession, which is conveyed by that happy drama box.
Ding Guangquan: Yes, so I think crosstalk is too good, let you be so happy, so happy, because I have never heard it before, once I hear how it is so fun, two people are talking to each other, talking and fighting, we laughed, this thing is too good. At that time, I made up my mind that I should pursue this profession in the future.
Xiao Chao: The sound of the drama box echoes in such a large courtyard, and the laughter is constantly heard. So I also began to lay the foundation for your childhood dream: when I grew up, I had to talk to each other. How old were you at that time?
Ding Guangquan: I was 6 or 7 years old at the time.
Xiao Chao: 6 or 7 years old, the mouth is just beginning to sharpen.
Ding Guangquan: At that time, it was not good to fall, anyway, it would be noisy and noisy.
The sound coming out of the small drama box fascinated the young Ding Guangquan, and at the same time made him have a deep yearning for the temple of cross-talk art. In the early days of the founding of New China, under the reform and impetus of a group of old artists represented by the cross-talk master Hou Baolin and others, cross-talk was able to enter the room, and also had the title of "light cavalry on the literary and art front". And Ding Guangquan was also fascinated by this form of music and art that could make everyone happy in his ignorance, and at the same time he had an idea: he hoped to learn cross-talk with Master Hou Baolin. So he became a veritable "star-chaser".
[Became a hardcore "fan" of Master Hou Baolin]
Ding Guangquan: Actually, star chasing is not something that exists now, we had it at that time, and I am Master Hou's star chaser. When I first started to see him and know what he looked like, I was in this Eurasian photo studio, and there was a picture of him hanging in front of me, and others told me that this was Hou Baolin. When I looked, he couldn't blame him for being so coke, because he looked so coke, so coke, and from then on, I had to see him every day. When I was about 9 years old, one day I was playing, and when I saw a person walking over, I felt like Hou Baolin, how to see how familiar. By the way, this is Hou Baolin, and I will follow him. He turned back suddenly, and he couldn't stand still.
Xiao Chao: He always felt that a child followed him.
Ding Guangquan: Are you Hou Baolin? He was happy at once, I am, do you know me? Then I said what are you doing? What are you doing? Where is home? I said that I especially like crosstalk, especially want to say crosstalk, and I also want to learn crosstalk. He asked me if I had gone to school? I said yes. He said: Go to school well, go to school well, and wait until you are older. Don't keep following me, go back, there is no shelf at all, so close.
Xiao Chao: After so many years, the first time you saw Master Hou Baolin's scene, you still remember it so clearly, and even the content of the chat is still remembered.
Ding Guangquan: Yes, I can't forget it at all. Then I started school, but I didn't lose these things. Since elementary school, I have been speaking crosstalk in class. From elementary school to middle school, middle school is again in the class to say crosstalk. Later, the cultural center opened a cross-talk training class, and I immediately went there to register. learn! After you finish your studies, you can go on stage.
Xiao Chao: Do you like to talk about crosstalk?
Ding Guangquan: It can be said that it is a great love. In 1964, I was admitted to both the Central Radio Rap Troupe and the People's Liberation Army National Defense Science and Technology Commission Cultural and Labor Troupe. At that time, when I was taking the Central Radio Rap Ensemble, it was hou Baolin, the master of my dreams, who came to take the exam. Teacher Hou immediately recognized me. I told him that I really wanted to talk about crosstalk. Then I told him a paragraph, and after listening to it, he thought it was good, and I was selected. However, as soon as the unit's cultural and labor corps heard that Hou Baolin wanted Ding Guangquan and could not let go, the opportunity was gone.
Xiao Chao: But at this point, I can realize that you and Master Hou are destined to have such a fate in the underworld.
Ding Guangquan: Edge, edge, edge. Our grandfather and son definitely have this fate.
Ding Guangquan regrettably missed the opportunity to follow Master Hou Baolin, but as the saying goes, Sai Weng lost his horse and knew that it was not a blessing, for Ding Guangquan, life will always have ups and downs, and in the ups and downs, Ding Guangquan also honed a positive and optimistic spirit. After coming to the military cultural and industrial troupe, he still did not give up his persistent pursuit of cross-talk, always insisted on cross-talk performance and creation, and twice won the third class merit. At the same time, during his time in the army, Ding Guangquan also harvested his love, met and fell in love with his wife Yang Jiayin, and married him. But later, with the dissolution of the cultural troupe, Ding Guangquan returned to the local area and became a worker. Later, he became a member of the Mao Zedong Thought Literary and Art Propaganda Team. In 1973, under the recommendation of several literary and artistic predecessors, Ding Guangquan met Master Hou Baolin for the third time, and as he wished, he worshiped the master under Hou Baolin's door and became the seventh disciple of the master.
【The Influence of Master Hou Baolin on Ding Guangquan】
Xiao Chao: In the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, there are Liu Bei's Three Gu Maolu.
Ding Guangquan: I see the master three times. Maybe it's because from the bottom of my heart, I love crosstalk too much. I want to be happy, but where do I get it? I chose crosstalk.
Xiao Chao: You worship hou Baolin as your teacher, how much improvement and change has he brought you?
Ding Guangquan: Too much, too big. Although I had studied crosstalk at the Cultural Center before and performed in the army for so many years, I really didn't understand what crosstalk was. The master said: Do you feel good in your own heart? Every word you've said, do you feel a taste? How do you become a good cross-talk actor? Knowledgeable, knowledgeable, insightful, expressive, and has a happy outlook on life. In fact, for this kind of art of laughter, it can bring joy to hundreds of millions of viewers, then it is this artistic charm, and it is also the messenger of laughter for generations, trying to overcome themselves, and trying to temper themselves, in order to create a laughing product for everyone.
【The charm of crosstalk】
Xiao Chao: Many audience friends also like to listen to crosstalk, but they all know that crosstalk is an art, but few people study what kind of art crosstalk is like you? Can you tell us today, in your eyes, where is the charm of crosstalk?
Ding Guangquan: In my lectures to the students now, I have repeatedly told you not to think that crosstalk is to learn to sing. Talking and singing, it's just one way. You have to know what crosstalk is first? Xiangsheng is a way of performing Chinese language and culture, and you must deeply remember that this is culture, which is a manifestation of the five thousand years of Chinese culture. There is a deep knowledge in this, you have to refine it from it, and then tell it to everyone in layman's terms, this is crosstalk, this is a real art.
[The experience of being "hit the head" by Master Hou Baolin.] 】
Xiao Chao: In the process of artistic study and exchange with Teacher Hou Baolin, which cross-talk was particularly impressive to you?
Ding Guangquan: A traditional paragraph, a new paragraph. The traditional passage is "Five Grand Figures", the five elements of yin and yang, gold, wood, water, fire and earth. Because I wrote a work, specifically about coal, I was particularly excited that day, and the performance effect was particularly good, so I went to Master. I said Master, you see, our paragraph is particularly popular, the audience especially likes it, I think when I act, it is especially like your "Five Hongtu". He stretched his face at the time, what do you say? "Five Grand Plans"? Can you compare with that "Five Grand Plans"? Do you know who wrote this "Five Grand Plans"? Then he began to tell me the origin of this passage. Do you think about who can summarize this theory? There is yin and yang running through the whole process, the five elements are together, the five elements are compatible, how many things have evolved? So how much knowledge is there in total? Do you want a cross-talk person to say these things on the stage, but also to make everyone believe, you don't have this knowledge, you think about who this person should be? How did he say these words? Therefore, in the future, whether you are writing crosstalk or crosstalk, you must make a character biography. Who's saying what? After you find this person, you will tell him again, and people will be credible.
Xiao Chao: Is this the truth learned at that time?
Ding Guangquan: Truth, true things. This truth has been throughout my life. In every work, I wonder who should say this? Isn't it time to say? Reasonable or unreasonable? In addition, there is another passage that I have gained a lot, called "Defending the Paracels". This was a new passage at the time, and I acted with Teacher Hou. Elder Hou was at my house, basically once a week, and I was lined up for half a year.
Xiao Chao: Haven't been on stage in half a year?
Ding Guangquan: I didn't go on stage, and this show has never been on stage. I'm stupid at the end of the line, I can't speak human words anymore, I don't know how to say it.
Xiao Chao: At night, the dream words are "Defending Xisha".
Ding Guangquan: It's not right to say anything. For half a year, I have pondered such a cross-talk.
Xiao Chao: After rehearsing for half a year, after this cross-talk debuted on stage, how did the audience respond?
Ding Guangquan: That's so different, it's not the same effect as the crosstalk I said before
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(Program narration) Learning by the side of the cross-talk master Hou Baolin has benefited Ding Guangquan a lot, whether it is basic skills or creation, Hou Baolin has taught them all, which also gives Ding Guangquan the opportunity to conduct in-depth research on cross-talk art. Around the master, Ding Guangquan in addition to learning and studying cross-talk, but also insisted on creating his own works, and made many useful attempts at the development of cross-talk, he once tried to create male and female counterparts, after the program came out by Master Hou Baolin highly recognized; he also tried to create cross-talk sketches and a variety of new forms of cross-talk. With the advent of reform and opening up, the cross-talk industry has ushered in a peak of development, a large number of cross-talk actors in the new era have emerged, and at this time, Ding Guangquan's achievements in cross-talk have become deeper and deeper, and his popularity has also increased, while his works have also been welcomed by more and more people, and his thinking on how to inherit and develop the cross-talk cause has never stopped.
【Bottlenecks encountered in the development of cross-talk】
Xiao Chao: You have been by the side of the cross-talk master all the way, and now you have become the master of cross-talk.
Ding Guangquan: I don't dare to say, I can't say master. Well deservedly, I should be a cross-talk teacher.
Xiao Chao: Nowadays, in the development process of cross-talk, where do you think the bottleneck is?
Ding Guangquan: This question is a more serious problem, because there are too few people studying now, it is a bit green and yellow, and the things of the older generation in art have not been handed down. I think for now, the first is the lack of teachers, the second is the lack of works, and the third is that young people see it as too simple, just pick it up and say so. Now crosstalk is in a more impetuous stage, not so down-to-earth. I say a word, you will definitely agree, and many of our audience will also agree: listen to some old passages from the past, you don't have to bother listening to them a few times. Why is it that after a new person comes out now, a new crosstalk may feel good after listening to it once or twice, but after listening to it a few times, you are not willing to continue listening to it? That is one issue that needs to be explored.
Xiao Chao: Combined with the stories that happen around us, if we carry out new creations, is this a development direction of crosstalk?
Ding Guangquan: The key problem now is the lack of foundation. Why do I feel like I can't pick up? As old actors like us, we have some old foundations, but as something new, we are exposed to less, and maybe young people are exposed to more new things. Then in the process of performance, in fact, sometimes it violates the law of cross-talk creation. Therefore, the combination like our original kind is relatively small, more difficult, and there will be a generation gap between us.
【The First Foreign Apprentice Accepted】
Xiao Chao: You said that the green and yellow are not connected, so what should be done to break the status quo of the green and yellow? Shouldn't we teach more disciples? I think you've done a very good job in that regard alone, teaching not only Chinese students, but also many foreign students. Through your efforts, this Chinese art has spread to all parts of the world. Then again, how did you come up with the idea that you would teach foreign students?
Ding Guangquan: This is actually not my idea. At the beginning, CCTV approached me and asked me if I could write a paragraph for a foreign student. I went to Peking University, and I chose a few of the more than 800 foreign students, including Dashan. These students are more lively and speak Chinese well. The teachers of Peking University have written the work that made Dashan famous according to the model of the classroom drama, called "Night Return", that is, "Open the door, Magnolia".
Ding Guangquan: When he said this, everyone laughed a lot, so at that time, let me do another show. According to the "New Compilation of Kong Yiji" in their classroom middle school, I wanted to make it absurd, so I compiled a "New Compilation of Kong Yiji" for them and made them a cross-talk sketch.
Ding Guangquan: After the performance of the program, it was particularly popular. They're happy too, the audience is happy, and the media loves it. These students have established a very close relationship with me, and they think it is great to follow Teacher Ding to learn these things. It can help us improve our Chinese language. Dashan once asked: Teacher Ding, can I go to your house and learn cross-talk with you and learn Chinese?
Host: Did Dashan really come to your house to study later?
Ding Guangquan: Yes, I came to my house. Later, Jiang Kun heard that Dashan liked to talk about crosstalk so much, and he also cooperated with him several times, and he felt good. Jiang Kun said: Dashan, why don't I take you as an apprentice." Dashan asked me: I want to worship Jiang Kun as a teacher, okay? I said yes, it doesn't matter, you worship him, I still teach you, we are the grandfather and grandson partner.
A 1988 sketch made Dashan a celebrity in China, and after that, Dashan worshiped under Jiang Kun, making him the first foreigner in the "family tree" of crosstalk. Through the cross-talk sketch "Kong Yiji's New Edition", Ding Guangquan's influence among international students is also increasing. Through Ding Guangquan, foreign students felt the charm of cross-talk art, and also found that cross-talk is a great help for learning Chinese and Chinese culture, many foreign students came to find Ding Guangquan to learn cross-talk, and Ding Guangquan gradually began to accept these foreign students from foreign countries, officially starting his career as "beijing foreign teacher". Today's Ding Guangquan is full of peach and plum all over the world, and there are countless foreign students who have studied crosstalk with him, and there have been more than 200 people from more than 80 countries who have appeared on the stage, and Ding Guangquan has officially recruited a number of foreign students as apprentices, so that foreigners can say crosstalk has also become a hot topic in society. Ding Guangquan through contact with these foreign students, greatly stimulated his creative inspiration, more than 20 years he created a large number of excellent cross-talk works showing the collision of Chinese and foreign cultures, and performed together with foreign students, Ding Guangquan's cross-talk works have also become a new form in the field of cross-talk.
【Peach and plum all over the five continents, responsibility in the heart】
Xiao Chao: Facing students from more than 80 countries in the world, what is your heart?
Ding Guangquan: I am very proud, and I think there is another feeling, that is, to be relieved. I have completed a will in the hearts of the older artists. It's not that I'm great, it's because they didn't catch such a good time. It just so happened that I caught up with this opportunity, and if I threw it away again, would I be sorry for crosstalk? Excuse me for my teacher?
Xiao Chao: The development of cross-talk, its root lies in the efforts of every cross-talk practitioner to inherit.
Ding Guangquan: Yes, I think this is a very important responsibility. Another is that people may ask, you have recruited so many students, how much money have you earned? I didn't earn a penny. Until now, I still give classes to these students in Beijing at this university every Saturday, free of charge.