Original address: https://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/158220
Akira Hara: [Full version] Title holder talk that Sota Fujii of shogi and Kotaro Seki of Go talk all the time
From: Tokyo Shimbun
Author: Takataka Morimoto
Translation and finishing: Make excuses for being quiet
Be mindful of "don't care"
- Now Kwan Hang Taro can ask Satoshi Fujii too much of a problem.
Kwan Hang Taro: A question?
- A few will do.
Kwan Hang Taro: First of all, ask how much time you spend each day thinking about shogi when there is no match arrangement.
Satoshi Fujii: 6 hours a day, not all the time on shogi, sometimes play chess and then look at chess, but also do something irrelevant.
Kwan Hang Taro: That means there will still be rest.
Satota Fujii: After 3 to 4 hours of research, do something else, and that's it. What did Kwan Hang Taro do at the seminar?
Kwan Hang Taro: The research in the Go world will be very lively, but I like to learn chess with AI. Because I spend a lot of time learning chess alone, I wanted to hear about Satoshi Fujii's learning method. It seems that this 6 hours of attention is quite concentrated, so what do you care about when you play?
Satora Fujii: I think I am often the one who doesn't care about anything, after all, when considering the chess game, there is only calculation and situation judgment, and nothing else is needed. I also think about the allocation of time when playing, but I often think about things other than that. So lately I've been at least not to care about so many things.
Kwan Hang Taro: In the fourth game of the Tengen War last December, I had the idea of winning a chess game to get a title, and I wanted to win and get a title. Because this is the first time for me to play such a big game, Satoshi Fujii already has a lot of experience, is it rare to have such distractions?
Satoshi Fujii: But it is impossible to have no distractions at all. But these things are thought about too much, and they will only kill time, after all, it is the time to play chess.
- When we look at the match room, we see that Satoshi Fujii is really very focused.
Satora Fujii: When playing against a game, I often don't care about the situation around me. But you said I had a lot of concentration, and to be honest I didn't know.
Ai's gap "The gap in the mid-market stage is pulled open"
--Next, Satta Fujii asks Kane Hangtaro a question.
Satora Fujii: It is still relatively easy to use AI to study the layout, how to improve your strength in the middle of the game?
Kwan Hang Taro: My words, for example, the situation of the middle and back disks is more complicated, so that AI starts from this situation, it is also a tool for summarizing and reflecting. I do this often. And I believe that shogi is the same, and I will also use AI to see the game of human chess players.
Satora Fujii: Will you start playing against AI in the mid-game stage?
Kane: Yes, even if you count a lot of means in Go, it is difficult to play the best situation in the end. Because it is a game to look at the territory, computing power is also critical. Counting the numbers, how many eyes there are here, etc., so the calculation power increase in the final stage is very difficult.
Satoshi Fujii: It is difficult for shogi to have a five-to-five situation in the final stage, so it is not likely to start playing chess from the final stage. I often play against the AI at the end of the layout and after entering the middle game.
——What is the chess piece when playing against AI?
Kwan Hang Taro: I won't let go of my words, and I think I can use them in actual combat.
How many children do you think you will have with AI?
Kwan Hang Taro: Two or three sons, two sons I don't think I can win, three sons I can't eat or not.
- Is shogi a way to make a car or a corner line like this?
Satoshi Fujii: AI is really strong, but shogi feels like shogi if you let Koma feel like shogi. If you let a corner line, it is impossible to form a situation like peace. So this aspect is really difficult to answer.
——Then I will ask another question, whether the current strength of the software is close to God, or is it just a little stronger than itself.
Satoshi Fujii: That's really strong, especially in the middle stage can feel that the gap is very large, even if the layout can be five or five, basically in the middle of the game is thrown far.
—— How many sets can I win in the next 100 sets?
Satora Fujii: Basically can't win, I think I'm more concerned about how long I can drive. In terms of my strength, as long as the trail is over, it is really difficult for me to be a little ahead.
After losing chess, "if you don't win, you can't forget"
Can the two talk about their relationship with their teachers?
Kwan Hang Taro: Teacher Fujisawa began to teach me to play chess when I was still in my rank, and was a teacher who brought out my personality. I became a student relatively early, and my teacher told me not to have other hobbies besides Go. My teacher showed me a path in life, for which I am very grateful.
- Have you said anything lately?
Kwan Hang Taro: I was always telling me to "go up." Now I also say that although I got the title of Tianyuan, there are many chess players who are stronger than me. I also long ago wished I could win the world championship, and every time I met, I was given more severe encouragement.
Satora Fujii: My teachers basically don't say harsh things about me. It created an environment that was best for me. It's also to keep me focused on shogi.
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Kwan Hang Taro: I've always been a person with such emotions after I lose, so I try to think about the next game. But if you don't play for a long time after losing, it's also very difficult. Even if other things make you happy, losing chess is something you can never forget. Only a stronger opponent can forget such a thought.
Satota Fujii: After losing chess, you think about what was wrong with you, and if you know what went wrong, then you can forget about other things. Even if I lose, I'm still the same as before, and it's better to do the same thing.
Motivate each other
—— This is the first conversation between the two, has the impact on each other changed a little?
Kwan Hang Taro: I thought that Satoshi Fujii was a person who was always thinking about shogi, of course, there was such a factor in it, but after exchanging them, I felt that my opinions and ideas were still very close to mine, and I felt that I could talk to me.
Satota Fujii: Although it is a different world, Kwan Hang Taro's words are very inspiring to me, and it is of great reference value for me to hear fresh insights. I hope I can use it myself in the future, and I want to ask a question at the end. Now according to the different AI, the chess style and evaluation value will also be different, how does Kwan Hang Taro compare and then find the most suitable AI?
Guan Hangtaro: There are many AI that can be used in the Go world, some of which are good at fighting, and some of which are more stable, all of which have their own charms. For a while, I used all kinds of AI to study, and now I use the research of star arrays, after all, I am a good chess style, and I try to get as close as possible to such a strong AI. I also want to diversify my style, just like when I look at Yuta Iyama's chess, his chess has many styles, and I think this is the most ideal way for a chess player.
Satota Fujii: Shogi doesn't have so many types of AI like Go, so I'll use two AI to study the same situation.
--Thank you for your long time.
Satora Fujii Seki: Thank you very much.