Actor Talk - "Bankrupt Sisters" Jennifer Curridge talks to Jeremy Allen White

Jennifer Currich won Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Series at the 80th Golden Globe Awards 2023 for "White Lotus Resort"

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- 99% of my jobs were all restaurant jobs.

99% of my job is in restaurants.

And I always fell in love with the angry chefs.

I always fell in love with angry chefs.

- Yeah.

Oh, yes.

- And there's something about like, a man that like, can do something fast and I felt inferior, and then like, look you in the eye, and.

There is, there is a kind of man, he does things quickly, I feel inferior, and then the other person looks you in the eye, and then.

- There's a control thing that like, happens, yes, in the kitchen as a chef.

As a chef, you feel in control in the kitchen.

And I think it's hard to like shed...

I find it hard to make...

- Oh my God, just one moment of that, I'd just be like... - Yeah.

My God, for a moment, I will... - yes.

You are the one for me.

You are the only one for me.

- Hi. - Hi.

Hi. -Hi.

- Hey, so, I just finished the show that I've been working on.

Hey, I just finished filming the show I've been busy with.

Just got here and I've been looking at your face every morning, because Allie, our hair person, has this candle in the hair and makeup trailer that's like reserved for like saints and stuff like that, you know. Like the tall ones that you can find. - Yeah.

When I first got here, I look at your face every morning because our hairstylist, Ellie, put a candle in the trailer where she did her hair and makeup, which was reserved for people like saints. It's the kind of high candle you can find. -Oh, yes.

- But it's you.

But that's you.

She's got this like, candle with your face on it.

The candle she was holding had your face on it.

So, I've been looking at you every morning getting ready for work and so it's nice to see you here and even seeing you kind of like, walking around and how excited everybody gets.

I watch you get ready every morning and it's great to see you here and even see you walking around like this, everyone is excited.

Like, what is that like I guess?

What does that feel like?

- I rigged that, because I've had a crush on you and I asked Allie, I sent that candle to her. - You just sent it in there so I could be staring at it for the setup.

I designed it because I have a crush on you, and I asked Ellie if it was okay and I sent her the candle. - You just sent it so I could stare at it.

Good, good, good, good, good.

Good, good, good, good, good.

- Yeah, I don't know those candles.

yes, I don't know about those candles.

I just want you to know the candle thing, I guess they were making them, I have a house down in New Orleans and I live down there part of the year and I think they started making those candle, but I'm not getting any money from, I'm not like... - So, you know about them though?

I just wanted you to know about candles, I think they're making candles, I have a house in New Orleans and I'm going to live there for a while of the year, I think they started making candles, but I didn't get any money from there, I'm not...- So, you know them?

- Yeah, I guess they're in, people like, my friends, think it's hilarious, so they take pictures.

yes, I guess they, my friends thought it was funny, so they took pictures.

But I have nothing to do with those candles.

But those candles had nothing to do with me.

- No, you don't get a piece of it?

No, didn't you get one?

No, oh, okay.

No, oh, well.

- But I mean, it is, I don't know, this could be a fleeting moment so. - I don't think so.

But I mean, this is, I don't know, it could be short-lived. -I don't think so.

- But I just, like look, a candle is so much better than like, those like, blow up cushions you can have on the toilet or something like that. - Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

But I just, look, candles are much better than an inflatable cushion you can put on the toilet. - Of course, of course, of course, of course, of course.

- I mean at least it's what, there is the vagina candle, all that stuff happening.

I mean, at least it is, and candles that smell like vaginas, all sorts of weird things.

But at least I feel like a candle's kind of harmless.

But at least I think candles are harmless.

- Yeah.

Yes.

- But that is nice if Allie really thinks, that likes, that's so nice. - Yeah.

But it would be great, great if Ellie really thought so. -Yes.

- I don't know, yeah, I don't understand. - She's not alone, yeah.

I don't know, yes, I don't understand. - Not only did she buy it, yes.

- But I'm thrilled by this, you know fluky moment and I'm really enjoying it for whatever it's worth. - Yeah. - Good, cool.

But I was excited, lucky moment, and I really enjoyed it all. -Yes. - Very nice and cool.

I should hope so, yeah.

I hope so, too.

It's been so cool seeing all of your acceptance speeches and talking about like, your journey and longevity, and I guess my question is kind of like, was there like, a plan going into it when you started and then like, choosing roles and to like, find the longevity that you have?

Seeing all your acceptance speeches, talking about your struggles and long careers, I guess my question is, did you have any plans when you started, and then chose the role to find your long career?

Or have you kind of just been finding people you love like, Wyatt or Christopher Guest and you keep working with them, 'cause they love you and you love them, I assume?

Or do you keep looking for someone you like, like Wyatt or Christopher Geist, and then work with them all the time because they love you and you love them, I guess so?

- Yeah, looking back at, I'm old enough to really look back at my life and sort of look at all my, certainly, my mistakes.

Yes, looking back, I have grown up to look back on my life and look back on all my mistakes.

I see a lot of those.

I've seen a lot of these people.

But I never had any strategy at all.

But I never had any strategy.

That was the weirdest thing.

This is the strangest thing.

I mean, I had all these friends in school and acting school and in college and stuff like this that had this like, plan and I just didn't have any of that.

I mean, I have such friends in school, acting school, and college, and they all have their own plans, but I don't have anything.

I mean, it's just so weird how I just sort of went job to job.

I mean, it's so weird, I just go to work one by one.

I didn't think of how to get, I have to say, I made the terrible mistake of not riding a wave that I had early on, which it was sort of in the '90s, where I got "Legally Blonde" Christopher Guest's, "Best in Show" and "American Pie" and then there was "Cinderella Story" and stuff, things like that.

I didn't think about how, I have to say, I made the terrible mistake of not catching up with my early career wave, and it was in the 90s when I received invitations from Legally Blonde, Christopher Geist's Man and Dog Confrontation and American Pie, and then there were things like Cinderella's Tale.

But there was this moment where it was like, I felt like it was kind of a wave looking back at it, it was this wave that I really could have ridden.

But for a moment, I felt like a wave, and looking back at it, it was a wave I could really ride.

I mean, I could have gotten on the wave and really, but I don't know. I was sort of like, I got very distracted and I was trying to, you know.

I mean, I could have followed the wave, but I don't know. I'm a little, I'm distracted, I think, you know.

- Really trepidatious about like. - Like I started pursuing guys, I started like I wasn't.

Really anxious. - Just as I started pursuing men, I started to feel like I wasn't.

I didn't realize you have to really, there's that, what's that saying, "You gotta seize the iron while it's hot," and everything.

I didn't realize that you really had to do this, how the phrase said, "you have to strike while the iron is hot" and so on.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - It just never, that never occurred to me that I should have gotten on that wave and ridden it, cause it was sort of this.

Right, right, right, right. - I never, never thought I should board that wave, because it was like that.

You know I felt like this cool thing was happening and then I just went, I was just, I'm wasting time doing these silly things and I think your agents have a lot, if you have someone who, an agent or a manager, that has a real strategy for you, you know sort of knows the business and stuff. - Yeah.

I thought it was cool and then I was gone, I was just wasting my time doing these stupid things, I think your broker has a lot of them, and if you have a person, an agent or manager, who has real strategic planning for you, you will know, will understand business matters. -Yes.

- You know and I didn't really have that. I didn't have anyone that had sort of a plan either.

I really don't. Nobody around me had any plans either.

You know and I'm not blaming it on them, it's just you see how some people go, 'cause they seize the moment.

I'm not blaming them, it's just that you see how some people do it, and that's because they jumped at the moment.

Sure. - And they figure out and I never like, I didn't realize I was behind the wheel.

Of course. - They understood, I never had, I didn't realize that I was behind the wheel.

- Right.

Right.

- And that I could have manipulated it better to a better outcome.

I could have manipulated this better and got better results.

But, you know, look, it's going well now. - Yeah.

However, now everything is going well. -Yes.

- You know, sometimes I think like, were you a theater kid? Were you like a...

Sometimes I think, are you from a theater background? Are you like...

- Yeah, I grew up in New York and yeah, I did like theater and stuff.

yes, I grew up in New York, and yes, I do like things like theater.

- So I think my theater friends that like, started the doing shows early on, sort of, I don't know, maybe had a better idea of how the process worked and how like, you could go from show to show and sort of your parts could improve, and...

I think my theater friends started acting very early, I don't know, maybe with a better understanding of the process, you can go from one show to another, your role can be improved, and...

- Yeah, just like that repetition of like, of theater and doing the same thing over and over and over again and like, in front of people for a live audience. Like, you build confidence that way. I think like, in television and in film.

Yes, like a play, repeating the same thing over and over again, in front of a live audience. This way you can build self-confidence. I think it's like, in TV and movies.

The bummer about it is like, you kind of like, you sit around and then you have like, kind of five minutes to like, make something happen. - Right, right.

It's frustrating that you sit there and then you have about five minutes to let something happen. - Right, right.

- And then if it doesn't happen, "Oh, well," or like, you kind of have to like, commit to one sort of like, choice and you hope it works.

And then if it doesn't happen, "Oh well," or like that, you have to, promise a choice that you hope it will work out.

But yeah, when you're like on stage and you get to do things over and over and over again, I think yeah, you find more of a confidence.

But when you're on stage and doing something over and over again, I think you'll find more confidence.

Like, I leave set every day just like, uncertain if we like, did what we were supposed to do.

I left the set every day, unsure if we were doing what we were supposed to do.

- Not too long ago I was on a job, I don't know if I was really the director's vision of what I was doing because every time we'd do the scene, like, they would go back behind the wall and sit at the director's section and then they'd say, "Action." And then I would say, do my part.

I was working a while ago, and I don't know if the performance I did really met the kind of thinking the director told me, because every time we shot this scene, they would go back behind the wall, sit in the director's area, and they would say, "Let's go." "Then I would say, do my part.

And then they would come back into the room and go, "Yes, yes, yes, yes, why don't we try that again?" - Oh, yeah.

And then they'll go back to the room and say, "yes, yes, yes, yes, why don't we shoot again?" "- Oh yes.

You know and that was not too long ago where, and you're like, "Oh my God, this isn't going, like, I'm not giving them, I'm not doing their vision, but they're not, they don't even have the guts to tell me how bad this is." - It's worse, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just a while ago, you thought, "Oh my God, this won't be, I didn't give them the show, I didn't achieve the show they envisioned, but they didn't, and they didn't even have the courage to tell me how bad this was." "It's worse, yes, yes, yes.

- But it ended up, it all ended up in, they didn't cut me out of it or anything. - Right. - But, I think that's shows how lame I am that I need someone to go, like, "That's good, yeah, good job," sometimes but otherwise you just don't know.

But in the end, it was all finished, and they didn't exclude me. -Right. - But, I feel like it shows how bad I am, and I need someone to say, "Great, yes, well done," sometimes, but other times, you just don't know.

You are like, you look over at your actor pals and you're like, "Did that just suck?" - Yeah. - Am I outta my mind? - Yeah.

You're like, you look at your actor friends, and you're like, "Isn't that bad? "Yes. - Am I crazy? -Yes.

- Is this a terrible choice? - Yeah. - You know sometimes.

Is this a bad choice? -Yes. - You know sometimes.

Or you just don't say anything 'cause you don't want them to know how insecure you are.

Or you don't say anything because you don't want them to know how insecure you are.

- Yeah. - But I've had that. Do you have like the insecure?

Yes. - But I experienced it. Have you ever felt insecure?

- Oh my God, yeah. yeah. I mean I think you're right.

Oh my God, yes. Yes. I think you're right.

Like it is upsetting how much I feel like, sometimes in the moment I need that like, validation from like, a director or something like that. And it's really, I mean, it's so great.

Sometimes I feel frustrated, sometimes I need to be approved by the director and something. It's really, I mean, fantastic.

"The Bear," the show I do has been successful and like, I've had success in that and this like award stuff and finally like, I'm feeling like, "Oh, okay, maybe I belong here a little bit," but it's a shame that it took like,you know it took like, 15 years of acting. And like, now I'm like, "Oh, okay, like I feel like I'm pretty good at this." So yeah, I wish I'd like, was able to find that without all this stuff. And I also like, hope for young actors that they can kind of like find that on their own a little bit.

I was successful with Bear Restaurant, I was successful with my acting in the play, I was successful with awards, and at the end, I thought, "Oh, well, maybe I belong here," but unfortunately, it took me 15 years to perform. Like, now I think, "Oh, well, like I think I'm good at this." "So, I wish I could find it without these things." I also hope that the young actors can find something on their own.

- When you guys are filming, it looks like you never stop and it just seems, I don't know how you're doing.

When you're shooting, it looks like you never stop, just looking, I don't know how you guys are.

I mean the amount of material that you have to say and nail it, right?

I'm referring to the amount of lines you're going to say, right?

'Cause are long takes. - Yeah, yeah - I mean, and... - We did. - And pull it off. - But that's the fun of it.

Because the lens is too long. - Right, right. - I mean...- We have a lot of lines. - And then you managed to act. - But that's where the fun lies.

Like, in episode seven of "The Bear," which we did shoot in one take.

For example, in the seventh episode of "Bear Restaurant", we finished filming one by one.

The fun of that was like, we did get to rehearse it for two days.

Interestingly, we did rehearse for two days.

So we were kind of like treating it as theater and kind of like finding these moments. And so I'll speak for myself, but like, I find confidence through that repetition. I know some actors. Like, feel like you lose some of the like...

So we're kind of like taking it as a drama, a little bit like finding these moments. So I only speak for myself, however, I find confidence in repetition. I know some actors. It feels like you've lost something like...

- Spontaneity. - The magic and spontaneity if you like, over-rehearse, but for me, like, that's how I find kind of confidence.

Spontaneity. - Magic and spontaneity, if you like, over-rehearsed, but for me, that's how I find confidence.

- [Carmy] What?

What's wrong?

- what the fuck?

What the hell?

- [Waitress] Uh, okay, uh, I uh, uh, uh, I dunno. - You left the pre-order option open.

Uh, well, uh, me, uh, uh, uh, uh, I don't know. - You have opened the booking option.

- [Waitress] Okay, no, sorry. - [Carmy] Yes.

Well, no, sorry. -Oh, yes.

- But it's interesting like, outside of that episode, our kind of like director and and showrunner, Chris Storer, he only really gives us two takes, three takes.

But interestingly, except for that episode, our director and producer, Chris Stouffer, he only let us shoot two or three shots.

Like, he won't give us more than that. - Really? - Yeah, because he really likes, even if it's like not clean and it's not great and I don't wanna say not great, everybody's great, but like, he doesn't want it to feel too comfortable ever, I guess.

He won't let us shoot too many strips. -Are you sure? - Yes, because he really likes it, even if it's not clean, not very good, I don't want to say not very good, everyone is great, but, I think, he doesn't want it to feel too comfortable.

- Ah, interesting.

Ah, interesting.

- Yeah, yeah, I don't think he ever wants us to feel too much like we're nailing it.

yes, yes, I don't think he wants us to think we're good.

You know he wants it to always feel a little bit like, dangerous or uneven.

He wanted it to always feel a little dangerous or unbalanced.

- I feel like you're very locked into like, you just sort of go into the mode like, once you're, because it is just sort of a different process than a lot of us have to do.

I feel like you're stuck once you're in a mode because it's different from the process that a lot of us go through.

Like, you just sort of lock in and it also, it's, I feel like I'm watching a documentary, almost. - Yeah. - You know it's just all so scarily real, I mean, and it's just. - Thank you, yeah.

It's like you're stuck, and I feel like I'm watching a documentary. -Yes. - It's all too true, I mean, it's just. - Thank you, yes.

We were lucky.

We were lucky.

We have Matty Matheson, who's like a wonderful chef and a restaurateur and Chris' sister, Coco, who's a really wonderful chef, they're like with us all the time.

We have Marty Matheson, who is a wonderful chef and restaurateur, and Chris's sister Coco, who is a fantastic chef and they have been with us all the time.

And I also got to like, work in really great restaurants and be around really great chefs and so did Ayo, who play Sydney, and we had a lot of time for that.

I also work in great restaurants with great chefs, and the same goes for Ayo, who plays Sidney, and we spend a lot of time with chefs in restaurants.

Like we shot the pilot, our show wasn't like a go, it was like, we shot the pilot, we waited around for six months to see if we could do the rest kind of thing.

We filmed the pilot episode and our show didn't start, we filmed the pilot episode and we waited six months to see if we could do the rest.

And I just used those six months, I hung out in kitchens and hung out with chefs.

I spent these six months studying in the kitchen and learning with the chefs.

That was so important for Chris and also for me to again like, to find that confidence to like.

It's important for Chris and me to regain my confidence.

I was like, "Okay, if I really show up and I go to these kitchens and I listen to these people and I like try to figure out like, the dance of like, a kitchen, and the movement, then I've got no excuses." So I found confidence through just being able to tell myself, I put in that time or whatever it was. And that helped me. That helped me like show up.

I thought, "Well, if I really go and I go to these kitchens and listen to these guys, and I want to figure out the pace and movement of the kitchen, then I have no excuses." "So I found confidence, and I told myself that I invested my time, whatever it was. This helped me. This helped me to be present on site.

- You conjure up all this anxiety for Carmy, 'cause it's full on the minute we're following you and I'm just wondering how you do it? - Yeah.

You created so much anxiety for Cami (the character in the show) because the moment we followed you it was full, I just wanted to know how you did it? -Yes.

- Yeah, I think that thing that Chris does with not giving us a lot of takes, kind of lends like, that anxious energy.

Yes, I feel like Chris doesn't give us much opportunity and gives us an anxious energy.

I was certainly anxious when we were getting started before I, I mean I'm anxious, like, to start any job really, it doesn't really matter.

Of course I'm anxious when we start working, I mean, I'm anxious, it's really anxious to start any job, it doesn't matter.

I find that like, I come with like an anxious energy.

I found that I came to work with an anxious energy.

You know I was on a show for 11 years before I did "The Bear," and I felt like it was like, such a big opportunity, and I was putting so much pressure on myself as an actor to perform and kind of like, break out of this thing that was like, a great job, but I'd just been doing it for so long.

Before starring in Bear Restaurant, I worked on a show for 11 years and I felt like it was a big opportunity, and as an actor I put a lot of pressure on myself to want to act, to break through that image, which is very good work, but I've been doing it for so long.

And I think for Carmy too, he was trying to kind of like prove his worth to these people who weren't taking them very seriously.

I guess for Cami too, he's trying to prove his worth to people who don't take them seriously.

And so I think I tried to use my own kind of like, anxious ambition to like, you know, get involved with Carmy's. - Yeah.

So I thought I was trying to use my own anxious ambition to get involved in Cami's business. -Yes.

- But it's interesting, I was thinking, I was watching "White Lotus," I was rewatching the last couple of episodes of the second season, watching your performance as Tanya. And I was thinking about Carmen, I was like, they're so different. These shows are very different. They're so different.

But it's funny, I'm thinking, I'm watching White Lotus Resort, I'm watching the last few episodes of the second season, watching you play Tanya. I was thinking about Carmen, I thought, they were so different. These dramas are all very different. They are so different.

But I was trying to find similarities and it is in there, it's like, it's the anxiety, but also there's an incredible like, loneliness in Tanya.

But I tried to find similarities, it was there, it was anxiety, but there was also an incredible loneliness, in Tanya.

And I think there's a loneliness in Carmy that I like, kind of gravitated to immediately when I read it.

I felt there was a loneliness in Cami that I loved, and when I read it, I was immediately drawn to it.

And I think for Carmen, the way he dealt with loneliness was to kind of like shut the world out and like focus on one thing.

I think for Carmen, his way of dealing with loneliness is to shut the world out and focus on one thing.

And I wondered if you would talk about kind of like how you feel Tanya deals with her loneliness.

I wonder if you can talk about how Tanya deals with her loneliness.

- Carmy is so busy.

Cami is too busy.

- Yeah.

Yes.

- And I feel like that, so I guess you could really conjure, like, your energy of just like, how busy you have to be and how much you have to handle.

I feel that way, so I guess you can really conjure up your energy, how busy you're going to be, how many things you have to deal with.

So I guess that, yeah, I guess almost, it's almost like you must start a train, it's like starting a train. - Totally.

So I thought, yes, I think almost, like you have to start a train, like start a train. - Exactly.

Yeah. - And you can just get on that train and just, it's just like a momentum.

Yes. - You can get on that train, like an impulse.

But yeah, I felt like Tanya was sort of stagnant.

However, I think Tanya is a bit stagnant.

- Totally, I mean yeah, it couldn't be, you're going on your vacations and... - There wasn't anything really that active about her delivery. - Right, right. - Until her, you know ending. - Yeah.

Exactly like that, I mean, yes, it can't be, you're going on vacation ... - her appearances are not so active. - Right, right. - Until her, at the end of the day. -Yes.

I felt like you know, with "White Lotus" one and two, I had incredible advantage because of just the surroundings that were happening.

I think when I was filming the first and second seasons of White Lotus Resort, I had an incredible advantage because the environment was like that.

I do feel like that sometimes it does work for you.

I do feel that sometimes this works for you.

Look, in Hawaii during COVID, it was still a lonely time, and... - You guys did the first season like, in the middle... - In the middle of COVID, yeah. And it was really, some scary stuff was still going on and it was very scary. It was a scary time.

Listen to me, Hawaii during COVID was still a lonely time, and... - you guys filmed the first season in...- during the pandemic, yes. Really, terrible things are still happening, very scary. It was a terrible time.

But I did feel lonely and people had, a lot of people had sort of their boyfriends and stuff that came with them on the trip and I didn't really have that.

But I do feel lonely, and a lot of people have boyfriends and staff traveling with them, and I really don't.

So I sort of felt, I felt lonely.

So I think, I feel lonely.

Everyone was in this one section and having this blast, everyone, and I was in this, on another wing.

Everyone is in the area, everyone is enjoying the revelry, and I'm in this area, on the other side.

But later I feel like it really helped... - Well you were on your own, Tanya was like on kind of a separate journey, too. - Yeah, I felt like it, yeah, yeah.

But then I thought it was really helpful... - you're alone, and Tanya is like on a solo journey. - Yes, I think, yes, yes.

I felt even more sort of isolated and lonely sometimes. And I felt like, wow, I'm, I guess it sort of helps.

Sometimes I feel more isolated and lonely. I think, wow, me, I guess that kind of helps.

- The first season of "The Bear," everybody was kind of staying in one of these like, semi furnished corporate housing thing. - Yeah.

In the first season of "Bear Restaurant", everyone lived in the kind of semi-renovated company house. -Yes.

- And I was like, I'm gonna stay in an Airbnb.

I thought, I'm going to live on Airbnb.

And I was really miserable and so lonely.

I was miserable and lonely.

But I think, yeah, it kind of like, maybe I should have been feeling that way a little bit and we all got so close over the process and in the second season I stayed with everybody and it was great.

But I thought, maybe I should have that feeling, we were all close during filming, and in season two, I was with everyone and it felt great.

But it is those like, little accidents that maybe help or... - Yeah, put you in the zone. - Yeah. - Yeah.

But these minor accidents may help or... - yes, get you into shape. -Yes. -Yes.

- Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

Yes, absolutely, yes.

So the kind of climax of season two of "White Lotus," you're on the boat, you have the gun, did you know the entire time, like does Mike White, does he give you all the scripts beforehand?

The climax of the second season of "White Lotus Resort" is that you are on a boat, with a gun, do you know from beginning to end, like Mike White, will he show you all the scripts beforehand?

Like, did you know where you were gonna end up the whole time? And had you been thinking about that scene for a long time? Or how was your, what was your preparation like, for that? - No he did, Mike did tell me I was gonna have a horrible ending.

Like, do you always know where you'll end? Have you been thinking about this scene for a long time? Or, how did you prepare? - No, he said it, Mike said I would have a terrible ending.

- Yeah. - But he was just, he said it more like, I'm sorry Jennifer, but you're gonna have to die.

Yes. - But he just, he said more like, sorry Jennifer, but you have to die.

- Did he tell you were gonna go out shooting though? That you were gonna like?

Did he tell you to shoot? Told you would be like that?

- I, you know it's so funny 'cause I did this movie with Jennifer Lopez where I had took, had gun lessons every day.

I, you know it's funny because I made a movie with Jennifer Lopez and I take gun lessons every day.

But I never got that good with it. - I was gonna say, did you have to like, unlearn your training or... - Well, I had some sort of semi-automatic during the JLO film, but this was just a smaller gun and everything. - Yeah.

But I've never been that good. - I want to say, you must, forget your training or...- In the movie with Jennifer Lopez, I had a semi-automatic gun, but it was just a smaller gun. -Yes.

But I don't know, I mean, I really do feel like my own awkwardness with a weapon really helped.

But I don't know, I mean, I really feel that my clumsiness in using weapons would be very helpful.

I mean, just trying to find it in the bag.

I just wanted to find it in the bag.

I was trying to, I was, we had to re-shoot that a bunch of times.

I tried, I was, we had to reshoot a lot of strips.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, yes, yes.

- I just couldn't, you know and I'm like, "Get the gun and get it out." But it was like, "Where, where's the gun?" The inside of the bag is black, I can't find, no, but I don't know, it's something like you said, it all felt real.

I just couldn't, I was like, "Pick up the gun, take it out." But my reaction was, "Where is the gun?" "The inside of the bag is black, I can't find it, no, but I don't know, like you said, it feels real.

I felt sometimes it is like when you are on a boat and you're in the middle of the ocean and there is nowhere to go, you do feel like, what if your castmates hated you? - Sure. - They could just push you off the, I mean it's this, anyone can get rid of you on a boat.

Sometimes I feel like when you're on a boat, in the middle of the ocean, with nowhere to go, and you do think, what if your crew hates you? -Oh, yes. - They can push you down, I mean, that's it, anyone can push you off the boat.

- Yeah, you're trapped. - It is the scariest thing to be on a boat. Like if anyone, if you're off with, if I went out with some guy that just like all of a sudden you seem just like, I am so tired of you.

Yes, you are stuck. - Being on board is the most terrible thing. If somebody, if you're out with someone, if I'm out with somebody, all of a sudden you're like, I'm so tired of you.

Like they just push you off and that's the end. - Yeah, yeah.

They just pushed you away and that's it. -Yes.

- I'm never getting on a boat again, 'cause I feel like I've thought about that so many times of how easy it is for someone to get rid of you on a boat.

I'll never get on a boat again because I feel like I've thought so many times about how easy it is for someone to push you off the boat.

- Yeah.

Yes.

- And it's just horrific.

It's terrible.

So I was creeped out because we did sort of shoot it in order, like hanging out with the guys. And like, just how creepy they were getting and stuff. - Yeah.

So I was scared because we were filming in episode order, like hanging out with the guys. Like, how creepy they become. -Yes.

So by the time it was time for me to like, get a chance to at least like, try to save my life, I really, it felt very real. - Felt like you were there, yeah. - And I really did like killing them all.

So when I had the opportunity to try to save my own life, I really felt real. - It feels like you're there, yes. - I'm really happy to kill them all.

- You did? - I really did. - Yeah. - It felt really satisfying.

Is it? -It's true. -Yes. - Felt really satisfied.

- Yeah, it was satisfying to watch.

Yes, it's also satisfying to watch.

- I need you to drive me in the boat.

I need you to take me on this ship.

Drive the boat to the shore, please!

Please drive this ship to shore!

These gays, they're trying to murder me.

These guys, they want to kill me.

- I wanted to ask you about the line, "These gays, they're trying to murder me." It's been repeated.

I want to ask you that line, "These guys, they want to kill me." That line was repeated all the time.

Do you ever get that on the streets? Do people shout that to you? It's become like, pretty iconic as I understand.

Have you seen it on the street? Is someone yelling at you? As far as I know, it has become very iconic.

- I mean, Mike was very confident about Tanya being pursued by these seemingly some, friendly gays that seem to be fans of hers.

I mean, Mike was pretty sure that Tanya would be courted by these seemingly friendly guys, who seemed to be her fans.

And then Mike is like, you realize we don't see the gay men as being evil.

Then Mike said, you know, we don't think the guys are evil.

They're not portrayed like that. - Right. - So he's like, this is a bad group.

They are not portrayed like that. -Right. - So he said, it's just that this group of people is bad.

And he goes, "I think people will like to see this, you know where it's not just not a typical thing." - Yeah. - Where it was like, these guys, it seems like they're really embracing her, and then yeah, it turned out to be just rotten guys.

"I think people would like to see this, it's not a typical thing," he said. "- Yes. - Like, these people, it looks like they're really hugging her, and then, yes, it turns out to be just some rotten people.

But it was so interesting because, there was a whole group of gay men in New Orleans that were all went out on Mardi Gras day as Tanya.

But it's funny because in New Orleans there is a large group of men with broken backs who all go out dressed up as Tanya on Mardi Gras Day.

- No way. - Some of them were on scooters and they all had that, "These gays are trying to murder me," on their, they had those on and then it's happened in other cities.

No way. - Some people were on scooters, they were all wearing clothes that said "These guys want to murder me", they were all wearing these, and then it happened in other cities.

And even in Boston when I did "Hasty Pudding," they did, you know. So it really did somehow strike a chord. - Yeah.

Even in Boston, when I was honored by Harvard's Fast Pudding Troupe, they did. So it really resonated. -Yes.

- And if you could've told me that that was going to, I never would've believed you. - That was, yeah.

If you had told me this would be the case before, I would never have believed you. -Yes.

But sometimes large groups of Tanyas.

But sometimes a large group of people dressed up as "Tanya".

And the weirdest thing, they get the dress right. They get the, the whole look, I mean, the scarf that comes up, is like better than the one I wore. - Yeah. Yeah, yeah. - But it's kind of, I'm thrilled.

The strangest thing is that they put the skirt right. I mean, the scarf is better than the one I wear. -Yes. Yes. - But sort of, I'm excited.

- Yeah.

Yes.

- I'm thrilled that happened.

I'm glad that happened.

You freaked out when I showed up with Portia, but thank God she's here, because otherwise I'd be entirely alone.

You were terrified when I showed up with Portia, but thank goodness she came, otherwise I would have been completely alone.

- Tanya, I didn't want this.

Tanya, I don't want that.

- So Jon Gries? - Yeah, Gries, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Gries, Jon Gries. - Yeah.

What about Jon Griss? - Yes, Gris, yes, yes, yes, yes. - Gris, Jon Gris. -Yes.

- So at the time it was a limited series. You didn't know if you were gonna do more.

At the time it was a limited drama. You don't know if you're going to shoot more.

Obviously, that relationship with him became so important to like, Tanya and the story in the second season.

Obviously, in the second season, the relationship with him becomes important, and Tanya and the story become so important.

Did you guys have any awareness or did he have any awareness, shooting the first season of kind of like, what a scumbag he was?

Did you realize, or did he realize, that he was such a mean person when he filmed the first season?

- I don't really think he thought about being a scumbag 'cause I think at one point Jon and I were talking about it, that he was, that he could have really liked her.

I don't think he wants to be badass because I think Jon and I used to talk about it, he was, and he might really like her.

- Right. - I don't know if Jon really thought it was going to go to this... - Extreme, I mean, yeah.

Right. - I don't know if Jon really thinks things are going to get to this point... - to the extreme, I mean, yes.

- You know I think Jon thought like, he thought maybe, he and Tanya would maybe end up together or something and in a positive way.

I think Jon would think, he thought maybe, maybe he and Tanya would end up together, or have a positive ending.

- Right. - And then Mike had big plans for Greg. - Other plans, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right. - Then Mike had big plans for Greg. - Other plans, right. Right, right, right.

- That must have been kind of hard I feel like, to like.

That must be hard, I think it is.

- Yeah, I mean just in that first "White Lotus," where Jon got very teary when Tanya had that flip out thing and like this, and I felt like, boy, that wasn't Greg later. - Yeah. Right.

yes, I mean in the first White Lotus Resort, when Tanya went crazy, Jon cried, and it was like this, and I thought, oh my God, that's not Greg. -Yes. That's right.

- What a rotten, rotten man he turned into.

What a terrible person he became.

- Yeah, truly, yeah, the worst.

Yes, indeed, yes, the worst people.

- Yeah, I did, I did wanna say, I thought it was surprising that Carmy, you have many fans and you have many girls that have crushes on you, and I think a lot of people wanna know why Carmy didn't have a love interest.

Yes, I want to say, I find it surprising, Cami (the character in the play), you have a lot of fans, there are a lot of girls who like you, and I think a lot of people wonder why Cami doesn't have a love interest.

- When we made the first season, we kind of didn't wanna like, we didn't want any of the characters to have like, attachments to anything outside of like, the kitchen.

When we made the first season, we kind of didn't want to, we didn't want any character to have an attachment to anything other than the kitchen.

And I think Carmen is just like, he's such a poor communicator and so like, socially kind of just like inept in so many ways that he, you know. - He would be so good with a girl, though.

I think Carmen has poor communication skills and is also socially incompetent, you know. - But he will get along well with girls.

- I don't know, I don't know, but yeah. - It would be fun to watch, your awkwardness. - He try, yes in the second season, I think, Carmen, he tries to kind of pursue some joy outside of work and it doesn't work out that great.

I don't know, I don't know, but yes. - It must be funny to see your embarrassment. - In the second season, I think, Carmen, he has tried to pursue pleasure outside of work, but it doesn't turn out very well.

But he tries, he really like, he tries to kind of like find some happiness outside of like, being successful at his skill.

But he tried, he really had, and he tried to find some joy outside of being successful in his personal cooking skills.

- But I know you can't tip off what we might be seeing next season.

But I know you can't reveal what we might see next season.

- Yeah, yeah. - You can't really tip off, I'm sure, I'm sure, we're hoping.

Yes. - You can't really spoil, I'm sure, I'm sure, we hope there is.

- He, I can tell you, yeah. He tries to find some happiness outside of the kitchen.

He, I can tell you, yes. He has tried to find some joy outside the kitchen.

But yeah, I think in the first season it was important to read a show and see a show where there was no like, love interests.

However, I think in the first season, it is actually important to read one and watch a drama without a love plot.

Everybody was pursuing their craft and like, trying to get inspired in the kitchen.

Everyone is pursuing their own skill level and wants to get inspired by the kitchen.

And I found through like spending time with all of these cooks and chefs, and in these kitchens, it is difficult to like, have a relationship.

I find it difficult to mingle with these chefs and chefs in these kitchens.

The hours are so intense, especially at these high-level places. It's like, it's really all-consuming.

Working hours are too tight, especially in these fine dining restaurants. It's really draining.

You're kind of always on call from chef.

The chef is always available.

You get there early, you prep, you have service, you clean everything, which takes forever.

You have to get there early, you have to prepare dishes, you have to prepare the service, clean everything, it takes a long time.

I mean these people are working like 14, 15 hour days. And so... - Yeah. - I think it just didn't seem... - Real.

I mean these people work 14 to 15 hours a day. So... - yes. - I don't think it looks like ... - real.

- Real that Carmy could... - No. - Or a lot of these people could find kind of like, love.

It doesn't look real, Cami can... - No. - Or many people can find some kind of love.

And I cut myself and I got garlic and onions and peppers in my fingernails and in my eyes, and my skin was dry and oily at the same time.

I cut myself, my nails and eyes were stained with garlic, onions and peppers, and my skin was dry and oily.

I had callouses on my fingers from the knives and my stomach was fucked, and it was everything.

My fingers are full of calluses left by holding knives, my stomach hurts, that's everything.

- 99% Of my jobs were all restaurant jobs.

99% of my job is in restaurants.

- Oh yeah.

Oh, yes.

- And I was a waitress and everything and I always fell in love with the angry chefs.

I worked as a waiter or something, and I always fell in love with angry cooks.

- Yeah. - I mean, I dunno what that is. - What do you think it is?

Yes. - I mean, I don't know what that is. - What do you think?

Yeah, I don't know what it is really. - I just like the way they like throw the food down and be like, I don't know, it was so sexy.

yes, I don't know what the hell this is. - I just love the way they throw food over, I don't know, it's so sexy.

I'd always be like, and I was always slow on the game because the other thing is, the chefs really did have a whole system and they were fast and went like this. - Yeah. - And then I would come up and I'd be so discombobulated and go like, "Which one is this?" And you know whatever, and they'd just be like, "Take this, this is the one." - Yeah. - Just take it. - Yeah. - This is the one. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'd be like, "Oh, and just take it." And there's something about like a man that like, can do something fast and he's like, I felt inferior, and then they could make all this food come out and just, it's just like, just take it. And I was just like, oh my God, just one moment of that I'd just be like... - Yeah.

I always say, I'm always slow to do things because the other thing is that the chefs really have a very complete system, and they're fast, like this. -Yes. - And then I would be confused and ask, "Which one is this?" Either way, they'll say, "Take this, this is it." "- Yes. - Take it. -Yes. -That's it. - Yes, yes, yes. - I would say, "Oh, take it. "There's a kind of guy who does things very fast and I feel inferior, and then they can bring all the food out and like, take it. And I thought, oh my God, for a moment, I'm going to ... -- yes.

- "You are the one for me." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you pursue any of these? - Yes, I had, yes, there were a lot of chefs in my life. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool.

"You are my only one." - Yes yes yes. Have you traced these? - Yes, yes, I have a lot of cooks in my life. - Right, yes, yes, cool.

- I have to say that when you see that hostile, tough person in the kitchen, it does transfer to real life when it's out of the restaurant.

I have to say that when you see that hostile, tough guy in the kitchen, after leaving the restaurant, that feeling shifts to real life.

- Right. - And so, you get... - There's a control thing that like happens, yes, in the kitchen as a chef.

Right. - So, you will...- As a chef, there will be that feeling of being in control in the kitchen.

And I think it's hard to like, shed everybody's listening to you.

I find it hard for everyone to listen to you.

There's like a god complex with a lot of these guys. - It is. - And then...

Many people have a God complex. -Yes. -And then......

- But they are gods I have to say, when you can pull off and you're in a restaurant where it's like, there's 150 tables and somehow there's a guy behind there making it happen, there's nothing more attractive than- - Yeah. - I mean, I'm thinking. - Yeah, that is impressive.

But I have to say they're gods, and you're in a restaurant where there are 150 tables and there's someone in the back kitchen who can make you successfully served, and there's nothing more appealing than that. Yes. - I mean, I'm thinking. - yes, that's awesome.

That like, determination is impressive.

That determination is impressive.

- But that you can execute like that. - Yeah. - And make that happen, and like, and take all the, I mean, they're always stressed, - Yeah. - It's so stressful, but handle it.

But you can do it that way. -Yes. - To do that and then put all of them, I mean, they're always stressful. -Right. - Too much pressure, but deal with it.

And like in the middle of all that, like, look you in the eye like. - Yeah. - And anyway.

Like in the middle of this, like. Look into your eyes. -Yes. -Anyway.

- Where, when you were working in restaurants, you were auditioning, you were, what was going on? - Yeah.

When you were working in a restaurant, you auditioned, what happened? -Yes.

- Like, was it when you were in New York? Were you here in LA? - Yeah, I did it in Boston when I was going to college, and then, yeah, I went to New York and yeah, New York City. I was on 19th and Park, I worked at Ken Estelle's.

Was it when you were in New York? Are you in Los Angeles? - Yes, I auditioned in Boston when I was in college, and then I went to New York, yes, New York City. I'm on 19th Street and Central Park, and I work at Ken Estelle Restaurant.

- Nice. - And there were, yeah, some hostel chefs there. And that was sort of my go-to.

Not bad. - Yes, there are some hostel cooks out there. That's my favorite.

- What was the job that you were like, "Okay, I don't have to be in service anymore, I can like, I've got this now. I'm gonna just fully commit to acting." When did you go like, "Okay, I can drop the service job?" - Well, mine was later than everybody else. I mean, I think I was like in my early thirties and when I finally got to give up, at a pool hall. - At a pool hall? - Yeah.

What is your job like, "Well, I don't have to serve anymore, I can say, I can do it now." I'm going to dedicate myself to acting. When did you say, "Okay, I can give up my job as a waiter?" "Mine was later than everyone else, I mean, I think I was in my early thirties, when I finally gave up, in a pool hall. - In the billiard hall ? -Yes.

- Cool. - But thank God, because I really got worse as it went. You know what I mean?

Cruel. - But thank God because I'm really getting worse. Do you see what I mean?

You know how people get better and they can stack more things, whatever? - Yeah, yeah.

Do you know how people get better, they can accumulate more stuff, etc.? -Yes.

- And I got worse, somehow.

Somehow I got worse.

And yeah, I was, the chef psych stopped calling. I dunno, I just want to, tell me about, "yes, chef." I mean, tell me about like, how many people in a day come up to you and say that?

Yes, I am, that chef psycho doesn't call anymore. I don't know, I just thought, tell me, "Okay, chef. "I mean, tell me, how many people come up to you every day and say this?

- It's a lot, yeah, it's a lot.

A lot, yes, a lot.

It's especially in Chicago where I just was for a couple months.

Especially in Chicago, where I had just been there for a few months.

It's a lot of, "yes, chefs." I mean, we didn't expect the show to kind of do as well as it did.

There are a lot of people who say, "Okay, chef. "I mean, we didn't expect this show to have such a good response.

We put it out, we were hoping enough people would watch it, we could do more.

We put it out and we hope enough people watch it and we can do more.

But it, like, it really did take off quickly. And I could feel that like in the world.

But it did spread quickly. I can feel it in this world.

We were in New York last summer and so I was always out just walking around and it happened like in a week, all of a sudden. It was very fast.

We were in New York last summer, so I always went out and about, and it happened all out of the way within a week. It's very fast.

People shouting, "yes, chef," and then...

People shouted, "Okay, chef," and ...

- They were screaming at the Golden Globes, by the way, when you got...

By the way, they screamed at the Golden Globes, when you get ...

- I didn't even hear. I couldn't hear anything, but I was told that like... - They were screaming. - Yeah, I was there.

I didn't hear anything, I couldn't hear anything, but I was told ... - they were screaming. - Yes, I was there.

- Guillermo del Toro was like screaming, "yes, chef," and that thrilled me while I was walking up. But yeah, no, I blacked out.

Guillermo del Toro was just screaming, "Okay, Chef," and it thrilled me as I walked up. But yes, no, my brain went blank.

But what was like the climax of the "yes, chef" thing was in "The New Yorker." There was like a "New Yorker" cartoon that quoted, "yes, chef," and that was when, I think us all like, as a show, knew that we had some juice.

But the culmination of the "Okay, Chef" thing came in The New Yorker. There was a cartoon in The New Yorker that said, "Okay, Chef. "I think it was then, as a show, we all knew we had some influence.

- Yeah, you had a lot of juice. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yes, you guys are very influential. - Right, right, right, right.

Well talk, we're at the Golden Globes.

Let's just say, we're at the Golden Globes.

You won that night.

You won the prize that night.

- Yeah.

Yes.

- When you walk, make that walk, are you like able to think straight?

Can you think soberly when you walk on stage?

Do you know what you're gonna say? - No, I... - Just walk up and see what happens, or?

Do you know what you're going to say? - No, I...- Just walk over and see what happens, or?

- Yeah, no, no, no, as a matter of fact, you can tell that I don't know what I'm gonna say because I, there were people that I forgot, so many names.

Yes, no, no, no, in fact, you can tell, I don't know what I'm going to say, because of me, I forgot a lot of people, a lot of names.

People are hoping to hear their name, the people that have busted ass for you and things like that.

People want to hear their names, people who have put a lot of effort into you, things like that.

I couldn't remember anyone's name. I just, I knew I had to thank Mike White.

I can't remember anyone's name. I just, I know I have to thank Mike White.

I knew I had to get him, but I blanked out on all these great people.

I knew I had to mention him, but I forgot to mention all these great people.

You know I kind of offended, I did say something that was sort of a little bit, I feel like I heard some of my neighbors aren't very happy.

I was a little offended, I did say something a little, and I feel like I heard that some of my neighbors weren't very happy.

You sort of changed my life in a million different ways and my neighbors are speaking to me, things like that.

You've changed my life in countless different ways, and my neighbors have said things to me, things like that.

And none of those people, I was never invited to one party on my hill.

Those people, I've never been invited to a party in our community.

And now everyone's inviting me.

Now everyone is inviting me.

I mean, as you can see, I probably wouldn't have said that if I wasn't just winging it.

I mean, you see, and if I hadn't improvised I probably wouldn't have said that.

- Right.

Right.

- But no, I was all wing, just winging these.

But no, I'm just playing freely.

And sometimes you have to be so careful because winging it, you can, like I said, you can offend people sometimes.

Sometimes you have to be very careful because improvisation, like I said, you sometimes offend people.

- Yeah, but I did find that like, you seem to, they would play some people off.

Yes, but I did find, as you seem, that they would play some people.

They would never play you off.

They will never fool you.

I feel like they, like, you were doing so well and everybody was enjoying you so much.

I think they're like, you're doing a great job and everybody likes you.

I feel like you had more time.

I think you have more time.

- I think there was guilt.

I think there's guilt in it.

They felt guilty 'cause maybe, 'cause the Emmys, they... - Oh did they? - The Emmys, yeah, they had like a hook that came out and took me off. I didn't even know that still existed.

They feel guilty, maybe because of the Emmys, and they... – are they? - Emmys, that's right, something attractive about them appeared, and then I was won. I didn't even know there was anything else about this.

I thought it was like Vaudeville days. That giant hook just like... - Plunked ya.

I think it's like a day of song and dance. That huge hook was like...- hit you.

- Maybe they felt bad for that, but who knows?

Maybe they feel bad about it, but who knows?

Yeah I don't, my biggest fear is to just, when you're winging it, just say something comes out and you're just like, "Uh-oh." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That would be horrific.

Yes, what scares me the most is that when you improvise and you say something, and then you think, "Uh-oh. "Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. - That's terrible.

- Well, how did you and Mike White first get along?

How did you and Mike White get along at first?

I was talking to our friend David and he told me that Mike White had the idea for "White Lotus" while on safari with you.

I talked to our friend David and he told me that Mike White had the idea for White Lotus Resort when he went hunting with you.

Is that correct, or sort of correct? - Yeah, maybe. Yeah, we were on safari in Africa in the Serengeti.

Is that so? Is it still correct? - Yes, maybe. Yes, we hunt in the Serengeti steppes of Africa.

Mike got this like fancy trip where we were on the Serengeti in these tents. It was very beautiful and he invited me 'cause he knew how much I loved animals. And...

Mike arranged a peculiar trip and we were in a tent in the Serengeti prairie. It was very beautiful there and he invited me because he knew how much I loved animals. And......

I think he did witness some sort of interesting behavior 'cause there was some very sort of wealthy people that we did observe on these like, flights and stuff. - Right. - And these small, you have to fly in on these small planes and we'd be sitting beside these very, very fancy people.

I think he did witness some interesting behavior because we did observe some very wealthy people on the plane. -Right. - These little ones, you have to take these little planes, and we'll sit next to these very, very fashionable people.

'Cause obviously, it's an expensive trip to go and do that. - Sure.

Because obviously, the trip is expensive. -Of course.

- And I think he got a kick out of how inept I was on that trip, like, I think he was observing me as like, someone where life is difficult on a daily basis.

I think he got pleasure from my clumsiness on that trip, like, I think he was observing me, and I was like someone whose life was difficult every day.

Like, just getting to the, just getting, just making anything happen.

It's like, just go, just go, just let anything happen.

- Yeah. - He saw that I was kind of like a little bit maybe off or something. - Sure.

Yes. - He saw that something was wrong with me. -Of course.

- And I think he was really amused by that 'cause he's such a, Mike White is someone who's like, good at everything.

I think he's happy because Mike White is the kind of guy who is good at everything.

He's, he can handle a million things.

He can handle a lot of things.

He's just, we are opposites and I think he was just so amused with my inability to make something happen quickly. - Sure.

He's just, we're opposites, and I guess he's just funny at me for not being able to get something done quickly. -Of course.

- And just... - Was it like a nervousness and you're, like, did you enjoy the trip?

Just...- Isn't it nervous, do you like this trip?

- Yeah, we really did have a blast. - Yeah, yeah.

Like, we really had a great time. -Yes.

- And yeah, and these, you could reach out and touch all of these animals. We didn't reach out and touch them, but, 'cause, lose your life.

Yes, and these, you can reach out and touch all these animals. We didn't reach out and touch them, but, because, you could lose your life.

But you can't get off the truck because the animals are right there. - Right.

But you can't get out of the car because the animals are there. -Right.

- But yeah, I mean I think he might have, I think he was amused or something like that. And that's my only guess.

However, I think he might find it funny or something. That's my only guess.

But you know, Mike White and I did a movie together directed by Jared Hess and it was called "Gentlemen Broncos" and he played my boyfriend. - Yeah.

But you know, Mike White and I made a movie together, directed by Jared Hess, called Gentleman Bronco, and he played my boyfriend. -Yes.

- And I think that's where I think he saw I was disabled back then. - Right.

I think that's where he saw my incompetence. -Good.

And saved it up for "White Lotus." I thank God he thought I was like, not good at whatever I was to him. - Right. - And thank God.

Leave it to White Lotus Resort. Thankfully, he thought I wasn't good at doing certain things, and for him I wasn't good at it. -Right. -Thank God.

- Yeah. - Because if I was slick, I might not have gotten any of this stuff. - Sure, sure.

Yes. - Because if I'm cunning, I probably won't get these things. - Of course, of course.

So there is gonna be a third season of "White Lotus," obviously, Tanya's passed.

There will be a third season of White Lotus Resort, and apparently, Tanya has passed away.

Do you think there would be any space in the third season for like, whether it's like a flashback or anything like that for Tanya?

Do you think there will be room for Tanya to have a flashback or something like that in season three?

And also what do you think ended up happening to Greg, Jon's character?

What do you think will happen to Jon's character Greg?

- I'll address the Greg thing first.

I'll start with Greg's question.

My hope for Jon Gries is that he's not finished with Greg. - Right.

My hope for Jon Gries is that he hasn't ended with Greg. -Right.

- And I hope there's some comeuppance for evil Greg. - Sure. Yes.

I hope the evil Greg will get retribution. -Of course. Yes.

- He deserves some bad treatment and possibly a death, himself. - I agree. Sure.

He deserves to be treated badly and may even die. -I agree. Of course.

- So I'm hoping for that. - Good.

I hope so. -Very good.

- He really does, you know sometimes. But Mike is always like, Mike is so true to real life that Mike would write something where nothing bad really does happen to Jon Gries because that's how life works a lot of the time. - Sometimes you get away with it, yeah. - You get away with it.

He really is, you know sometimes. But Mike always said that Mike's real-life display was too real, and he would write plots where nothing bad happened to Jon Grace, because that's how life usually is. - Sometimes you get away with it. - You will get away with it.

That story hasn't been finished. - Yeah, yeah.

That story is not over. -Yes.

- And for Jon Gries', you know, good acting and everything, I think he should, I don't know, end up in a meat grinding machine or something, you know.

For Jon Griss, great performance and everything, I think he should, I don't know, end up at a meat grinder or something, you know.

Or something, but have, definitely have another go. - Yeah.

Or something else, but definitely try again. -Yes.

- And then I guess a better question might be like, was saying goodbye to Tanya with such like, finality, was that difficult?

And then I thought a better question might be, say goodbye to Tanya, like this, and finally, is it hard?

- Yeah, I mean, it's so funny.

yes, I mean, it's so much fun.

Mike was looking for the sort of Italian opera ending. - Yes. - And it was big and dramatic of course, so he wanted me to die for many reasons.

Mike wanted that kind of Italian opera ending. -Yes. - Of course, it was a big thing, a very dramatic thing, so he wanted me to die for many reasons.

But I also think that Tanya's a lot. I think, I don't know, maybe people would get sick of her on another season.

But I also think Tanya has too many problems. I thought, I don't know, maybe people will get tired of her in the next season.

She had so many problems and maybe people would just be like, "Oh my God, just get rid of Tanya, Tanya needs to go." So I dunno, maybe it's good that I'm out of there before people were saying that.

She has a lot of questions, and maybe people will say, "Oh my God, write Tanya to death, Tanya needs to leave." "So I don't know, maybe it's good that I'm out of there before people say that."

But if Tanya could come back in any form or whatever, maybe she could come back as a seagull and poke Greg's eyes out.

But if Tanya can come back in any form or any way, maybe she can come back as a seagull and poke Greg's eye out.

- Yeah. that's a good idea. Good, good, good.

Yes. That's a good idea. Good, good, good.

Yeah, I feel like, it's really a goodbye.

yes, I think, it's really about saying goodbye.

- I hope not. - I know I hope I see more. - You're so charming. And I hope you know how many people are obsessed with you.

I hope not to say. - I know, I hope to see more. - You are so charming. I want you to know how many people are fascinated by you.

- I hope you heard how loud those cheers were. - A lot of people were obsessed with you. - No, no, no, how loud those cheers were when you won.

I hope you can hear how loud those cheers are. - A lot of people are fascinated by you. - No, no, no, how loud you cheered when you won the award.

I mean, you've won a lot at this point, but I just hope you know how adored you are. You're such a brilliant actor.

I mean, you've won a lot of awards right now, but I just want you to know how adored you are. You are such a wonderful actor.

- Thank you so much. - And incredibly attractive human being, so. - Right back at you, truly.

Thank you very much. - And you are very attractive people, so. - I think the same way about you, really.