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美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

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美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

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美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

志愿军

1950年6月,朝鲜半岛爆发军事冲突,7月7日,在美国的指挥下,联合国军悍然干预别国内政,开赴朝鲜半岛。

在这千钧一发之际,中国人民志愿军为了中朝友谊,挺身而出,数百万志愿军开赴前线,与敌作战。

经过长达1年半的鏖战,终于将不可一世的联合国军击溃于38线之外,不仅打破了美军不可战胜的神话,还一举打出了我军的风采。

1951年7月10日,在双方的斡旋下,中朝联军同意和美方代表在板门店签订停战协议。自此,这场举世瞩目的战争,以中国的完美表现顺利收官!

然而半个世纪过去了,美国方面却一直死鸭子嘴硬,不愿承认失败,找各种理由解释。

近日,一些美国网友在外网知乎Quora上竟然公然提问道::朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?完全一副颠倒是非黑白的样子。

最终,被正义网友反驳的哑口无言,今天就让我们一起来看一看。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

问题:美国在朝鲜战争中有多成功?

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

美国网友 纳迪尔的回答

Strategically, the U.N. won. North Korea had full annexation of South Korea as objective. The U.N had protecting the independence of South Korea as the main objective (enforcing U.N. resolution 84). North Korea failed their objectives while U.N. achieved their own.

从战略上讲,联合国军赢了,因为朝鲜是以全面吞并韩国为目标,而联合国军则是以保护韩国的独立为目的(执行联合国第 84 号决议)。最终,朝鲜没有实现他们的目标,而联合国却保住了韩国。

The invasion of North Korea was never an official objective, though the collapse of the NK Army provided an opportunity that U.N. exploited. Chinese intervention restored the balance of power, so in the end the pre-war borders were restored for the most part.

由此可见,入侵朝鲜从来都不是美国的目的,尽管北朝鲜军队的垮台为联合国军出兵提供了机会。但最终在中国的干预下,一切都恢复了平衡,就连战前的疆域也没有变化。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

美国记者 哈维阿德曼的回答

The United States, under the aegis of the United Nations, threw back a 1950 North Korean invasion of the south that had attempted to reunite the peninsula by force and had almost succeeded, and proceeded into the north.

美国在联合国的支持下,粉碎了朝鲜企图用武力吞并韩国,实现一统的目标,在白宫的指挥下,继续向南挺进。

As UN forces got closer to the Yalu River, which marks the boundary between North Korea and China, hundreds of thousands of Chinese “volunteers” poured into the Korean peninsula, stiffening North Korean resistance to the UN advance.

随着联合国军越来越靠近中朝边界的鸭绿江,数十万中国“志愿者”涌入朝鲜半岛,开始和美军展开正面的对抗。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

志愿军跨过鸭绿江

General MacArthur, who was leading UN troops, wanted to use the A-bomb on these Chinese volunteers and, if necessary, on China itself. President Truman ordered him not to do so and finally, not trusting him to obey, removed him from command.

领导联合国军队的麦克阿瑟将军,曾计划对中国志愿军使用原子弹,如果有必要,连中国本土也会遭受核打击。可不料,杜鲁门总统坚决反对,因为担心这位统帅“将在外,军令有所不受”,于是便把他从前线撤回了。

US commanders had promised the American public its soldiers would be home for Christmas, but that didn’t happen. What followed was a long period of bloody fighting between Chinese and American troops. Finally, the war was fought to a standstill, more or less along the original boundary lines of North and South Korea.

美国指挥官曾向国内的民众承诺,战争会在圣诞节前夕结束,可结果失算了。在中国军人面前,他们遭遇了困境,陷入了鏖战。最终,双方在朝鲜和韩国的边境线上打得难解难分。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

麦克阿瑟

An armistice commission was established, along with a neutral band across the peninsula, the demilitarized zone. The two sides met and decided to suspend hostilities. No peace treaty was ever signed. Instead, both sides armed to the teeth their respective edges of the demilitarized zone. The fighting stopped in July, 1953.

经过斡旋,双方建立了一个停战委员会,以及一个横跨半岛的中立带,这里属于非军事区。双方会在此处签订一系列的协定,但令人意想不到的是,彼此却武装到了牙齿,站在岗哨里互相对峙,直到战争于1953年7月彻底停止。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

美国前任官员 迈克尔赫登恩的回答

Many say that the war ended in stalemate. I would beg to differ. I think that the Korean War was a victory. Not just for the US, but for the UN, free world as a whole. The Korean War was really the first big test for the UN. We often forget(in the USA) that although the US provided the bulk of the military force, nations as diverse as Thailand & Ethiopia, Britain, Belgium, Turkey, Australia, & several others stood against naked aggression. as well.

许多人说,战争以僵局告终,但在我看来,朝鲜战争是美国打赢了。不仅对美国,对联合国,对整个西方皆是如此。朝鲜战争是对联合国的一次重大考验,美国为此付出了大量的军事力量。

Of course South Korea is a free dynamic country today, with one of the largest economies not only in Asia, but the world. In 1950, S. Korea was one of the poorest nations in the world. It also had a dictatorship government that was better than what they had in North Korea, but a dictatorship none the less, aspects that they would retain well into the 1970s. South Korea had also all but been “written off” by the US Joint Chiefs Of Staff, but because of the efforts of the UN, S. Korea would overcome, adapt & become the great, free nation it is today.

当然了,今天的韩国是一个自由而充满活力的国家,它不仅是亚洲最大的经济体之一,也是世界上最大的经济体之一。1950 年,韩国是世界上最贫穷的国家之一。但在美国和西方诸国的帮助下,实现了飞速发展,在克服了重重困难后,终于成为了伟大、自由的国家。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

飞速发展的韩国

I would think that would be a “victory” by any measure. Then there’s North Korea; need I say more? My father served in the Korean War & certainly thought it was worth it. And if you look at recent events in Afghanistan, The Korean War is looking like it was probably the most successful war, at least from a US prospective that, the US has been involved in since WWII, depending on the future course of events in Iraq. So yeah, IMHO, the “Free World” won! South Korea won, survived & thrived!

我认为无论以何种标准来衡量,朝鲜战争都是一场“胜利”。甚至在我眼里,它是最完美的,因为我的父亲曾在这场战斗中服役。如果对比一下近日来的阿富汗战争,那么它对美国而言,无疑是最成功的。韩国活了下来,美国继续统领世界。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

美国网友 安德鲁的回答

Did China won the korean war??? Did china gain an inch of territory of USA?

中国打赢了韩战?中国获得了美国的一寸领土吗?美国才是最大的赢家。

Prior to the war, USA has no foothold in korea peninsular, after the Korean-war, USA gained foothold, and indeed, USA successfully installed THAAD in south korea. And who do you think USA installed THAAD against?

战前,美国在朝鲜半岛没有立足之地,朝鲜战争后,美国站稳了脚跟。

Yes, China won the korean war in terms of casualties and losses 36574 Americans died, but 208,729 Chinese died. That is nearly seven times casualties.

中国虽然和美国打了个平手,但付出的代价却很沉重!朝鲜战争中,中国的伤亡人数是208729人,而美国仅有36574,不过是对方的七分之一。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

美国海军陆战队中士 斯蒂夫回答说

Easy answer, they didn’t. We didn’t decisively win the war because politicians refused to allow the military to do what needed to be done to achieve victory. General MacArthur had a problem with that and brought his concerns to the press, resulting in president Truman promptly relieving him. Due to political pressure and wanting to make American voters happy we signed a armistice and pulled out of Korea in 1953.

我不认为中国是赢家,我们之所以没有彻底赢得这场战争,主要是因为政客们从中作梗,四处阻挠军队制定好的战略。麦克阿瑟将军对此有意见,并向媒体提出了他的担忧,最终导致杜鲁门总统直接解除了他的职务。为了赢得选民的支持,迫于政治压力,我们在1953 年前签署了停战协议并撤出了朝鲜。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

美国海军陆战队

That being said the Chinese didn’t come anywhere close to a military victory over the US. In the battle of the Chosin reservoir, 15 thousand US troops mostly comprised of Marines and 15 thousand United Nations forces fought over 120,000 Chinese troops who had launched a surprise attack on the Reservoir. Fighting their way over 70 miles to the sea the Marines inflicted 50 percent casualties on the attackers. That is a collossal asskicking.

实际上,中国并没有在军事上取得对美国的彻底胜利。在长津水库战役中,以海军陆战队为主的1.5万美军和1.5万联合国军,与12万名中国军人展开了激烈的战斗,关键时刻,海军陆战队在 70 多英里外的海上发动袭击,给中方造成了 50% 的伤亡,这是一次重大的战果。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

正义网友 林协义的反驳

Give up your stubbornness. History has proved that the Chinese won this war!The following is the history of the Korean War。

放弃你们的固执吧,历史证明,这场战争是中国人赢了!以下是朝鲜战争的经过:

"We will wipe out the Chinese Army in 3 weeks…" - General MacArthur, 1950.

“我们将在 3 周内消灭中国军队……”——麦克阿瑟将军,1950 年。

"If the Americans crossed the 38th parallel, the People's Liberation Army would enter the war. The American forces are trying to cross the 38th parallel and to expand the war. If they really want to do this, we will not sit still without doing anything, we will be forced to intervene." - Premier Zhou Enlai, 3 Oct 1950.“

如果美国人越过38度线,解放军就会参战。美军正在试图越过38度线,扩大战争。如果他们真的要这样做,我们不会坐以待毙。 ,我们将被迫进行干预。” ——周恩来总理,1950 年 10 月 3 日。

“I am the first U.S. Commander to agree to a truce without victory.”- General Mark W. Clark“

我是第一位同意在没有胜利的情况下休战的美国指挥官。”——马克·W·克拉克将军

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

联合国军第三任总司令 克拉克将军

27th July marks a special day for the history of Modern China. On this day in 1953 the Korean Armistice Agreement was signed between the United States [representing the UN command] and North Korea [representing the Korean People’s Army(KPA) and Chinese People’s volunteers (CPV)]. Let us observe a moment of silence for the 132,000 Chinese soldiers, millions of Koreans and fallen soldiers from the United States and 14 other nations who will forever rest their souls in the cold of the Korean winter between 1951 to 1953.

7月27日是中国近代史上一个特殊的日子。1953 年的这一天,美国[代表联合国司令部]和朝鲜[代表朝鲜人民军(KPA)和中国人民志愿军(CPV)]签署了朝鲜停战协定。让我们为132,000名中国士兵、数百万朝鲜人以及美国和其他14个国家的阵亡士兵默哀片刻,他们将永远在1951年至1953年朝鲜寒冬中安息。

This is how the poorly-equipped Chinese People’s volunteers(CPV) defeat the Most technologically advanced and militarily superior country on this planet (the United States) during the Korean War sixty five years ago. Bear in mind that back in 1950, the GDP of the United States was USD$280 Billion, while China’s GDP was only USD$10 Billion. The United State’s steel production was 87 million tonnes, while China can only produce 0.6 million tonnes of steel. China could not even produce a single tank in 1950 when the war broke out.

65年前的朝鲜战争,装备简陋的中国人民志愿军(CPV)最终击败了地球上技术最先进、军事最优越的国家(美国)。要知道,早在 1950 年,美国的 GDP 为 2800 亿美元,而中国的 GDP 只有 100 亿美元。美国钢铁产量为8700万吨,而中国只能生产60万吨钢铁。1950年战争爆发时,中国甚至无法生产一辆坦克。中国军队之所以能赢得胜利,靠的是以下几点:

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

联合国军

  1. Sheer determination and morale to drive invaders away from the Chinese border With North Korea. The US army had advanced all the way to the border with China before the CPV cross the Yalu river to resist US aggression. China was recovering from a hundred years of humiliation under foreign powers up till 1949.

将侵略者赶出中国与朝鲜边境的无畏决心和勇气。自鸦片战争开始,中国便接连遭受西方入侵。直到 1949 年,这个东方国家才从列强的一百年屈辱中恢复过来。

2.Chinese scouts disguised as South Korean soldiers infiltrated deep behind UN lines and provide target acquisition for Chinese artillery to pound on concentration of heavy armour

战术独特:伪装成韩国士兵的中国侦察兵深入联合军国防线后方,为中国火炮提供目标获取,以打击集中的重型装甲,对美军产生了巨大的伤害。

3.Superior flanking tactics which enabled the CPV to cut off leading UN armoured columns and then finishing off the tanks after their supplies were cut off.

经常使用的策略:优越的侧翼战术使志愿军能够切断装备领先的联合国装甲纵队,然后趁敌人求援之际开始进攻。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

志愿军

4.However as the air war progresses and more and more US fighter jets were shot down and US pilots downed, the helicopters became a burden as it is a homing beacon for the CPV to locate the downed US pilots and capture them. About a hundred-odd US pilots were captured by the CPV during the Korean War and they were later set free in exchange for the release of prominent Chinese scientists such as T.S. Tsien / Qian Xuesen who were incarcerated in the US.

虽然美军装备有先进的直升机、战斗机。然而,随着空战的进行,越来越多的美国战斗机被击落,美国飞行员被俘虏,慢慢地直升机成为了一个负担,因为志愿军可以凭借它找到敌人的大本营。在朝鲜战争期间,大约有一百多名美国飞行员被中国志愿军俘虏,后来他们被一一释放,以换取被关押在美国的著名中国科学家钱学森。

If you doubted a Chinese victory, we can view this objectively by asking if both sides achieved their intended target/objectives. For the United States, the objective is to roll back communism and unify Korea under the friendly regime of Rhee Syngman and US supreme commander General MacArthur said that the whole of Korea will be conquered by Christmas in 1950, but they failed because the CPV pushed them back to the 38th parallel, despite deploying one third of U.S. Army, half of U.S. Navy and one-fifth of U.S Air Force into Korea.

最后,我们可以通过对比一下双方原定的目标,来判断出谁是最后的赢家!很显然,中国赢了。对美国来说,原定的目标是帮助李承晚政权推翻朝鲜,统一朝鲜半岛,因为目中无人,美国最高统帅麦克阿瑟将军曾计划,在1950年圣诞节前昔全面结束战斗,但最终他们失败了,因为战场失利,美军被迫回到 38线,尽管为了这场战争,美国已经将三分之一的陆军、一半的海军和五分之一的空军部署到了韩国,但还是被彻底击败了。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

志愿军空军

For China, it was the first time after a hundred years that Chinese troops were able to repel a foreign invader away from the Chinese border and the objective to create a buffer by pushing back UN forces to the 38th parallel was achieved. The United States failed in its objective while China achieved its objective, allowing China to lift millions out of poverty by breaking US isolation,and the breathing space to develop the nuclear bomb, ballistic missile and satellite,creating substantial deterrence against the Cold War superpowers and paving the way for ~20years of peaceful development and rebuilding of the Chinese nation, and thus we can objectively say that it was a Chinese victory and a US defeat.

对中国来说,这是一百年来第一次将外国侵略者从中国边境击退,将不可一世的联合国军打退到38线以南,通过事实的对比,可以看到美国没有实现目标,而中国成为了最终的赢家。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

问题:为什么朝鲜战争被称为“被遗忘的战争”?

直到今天,在美国论坛上,抗美援朝依旧被称作“被遗忘的战争”。这是因为美国政府始终不愿面对真相,企图通过舆论控制,让所有人忘记这场战斗。

但作为一名炎黄子孙,志愿军的后代们,我们有责任更有义务铭记这段历史。

1945年,第二次世界大战结束后,日本侵占的朝鲜被美苏两个大国把持着,按照约定,双方以北纬38°为界。将朝鲜划分为南北两部分,临时管理。

不久后,因为意识形态的不同,再加上美苏矛盾日益尖锐,为了占领朝鲜,美国、苏联明面上相继从这里撤出,但暗地里却扶持自己的势力上位。作为两名幸运儿,金日成和李承晚分别成为了苏联和美国的扶持对象。

上世纪50年代初,经过多年的准备,金日成告知苏联,他打算出兵彻底统一朝鲜。当时的苏联正面临物资紧缺的窘境,在得知朝鲜境内有丰富的铅矿资源后,便立即点头应允了,作为代价,朝鲜每个月会为斯大林提供数十吨的铅。

凭借着苏联支援的武器,金日成的部队一路高奏凯歌,很快就把南朝鲜军逼到了海岛东南角。眼瞧着李承晚就要不保,美国一怒之下,率领联合国军拍马赶到。仗着武器先进,同盟众多,几番交手之后,便把金日成打退到了38线以北。

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

入朝作战

此时的美国可谓是志得意满,居然嚷出了“消灭北朝鲜,踏过鸭绿江”的口号,企图染指中国边境。当此民族存亡之际,毛主席应金日成之邀,火速出兵支援北朝鲜,这便是后来的“抗美援朝”。

在得知了中国出兵后,苏联方面也是十分慷慨,对中国给予了大量的武器支援,最终,我英勇的志愿军将士和嚣张的联合国军在战场上正面相遇了。在武器和后勤保障都处于绝对劣势的情况下,依靠着超越人类极限的战斗力和视死如归的精神,再加上合理的战略战术,成功的将16国精锐消灭在冰天雪地的朝鲜半岛。

历经3年的艰苦战斗,终于打败了美国人不可战胜的神话。在战斗结束的那天,志愿军总司令彭德怀元帅双手叉腰,豪气干云道:“自今日起,西方侵略者几百年来,只要在东方一个海岸上架起几尊大炮,就可以霸占一个国家的时代是一去不复返了!”

美国网友问:朝鲜战争到底谁是赢家?为何美国政府坚称自己赢了?

彭德怀元帅

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