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In-depth dialogue: In Southeast Asia that you can't understand, is it more rational or more gambling?

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In-depth dialogue: In Southeast Asia that you can't understand, is it more rational or more gambling?

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"We've seen a lot of entrepreneurs from China bring new concepts and ideas for consumer brands to Indonesia, so we always pay close attention to these entrepreneurs who are starting businesses in the consumer space." Melina Anlin, vice president of investment at AC Ventures, told Xiaguang.

New consumer brands going overseas in Southeast Asia are in the ascendant. What role does content e-commerce, represented by TikTok e-commerce, which is developing rapidly in Southeast Asia, play in the current development of consumer brands? Indonesia's TikTok Shop has experienced a series of turmoil, and after merging with Tokopedia, it has changed its name to Shop, and what impact will it have on sellers and traffic?

Is the "D2C brand (also known as DTC brand, that is, Direct to Consumer) that we often refer to in Europe and the United States still a pseudo-concept in the immature market in Southeast Asia? What is the underlying consumer psychological logic behind this?

Through an interview with Melina Anlin, Vice President of Investment of AC Ventures, an investor in Southeast Asian consumer brands, Xiaguang Society has an in-depth understanding of the current situation of consumer brands going overseas and landing in Southeast Asia.

In-depth dialogue: In Southeast Asia that you can't understand, is it more rational or more gambling?
In-depth dialogue: In Southeast Asia that you can't understand, is it more rational or more gambling?

"The most interesting thing is that when TikTok enters Southeast Asian countries such as Indonesia, its essence is like an online Disneyland." Melina Anlin said.

Every day on the way to work, while waiting for public transportation, you can always see Indonesians naturally turn on TikTok and immerse themselves in the online paradise world.

"When people get bored in Indonesia, the first thing they do is turn on TikTok, which is really a form of entertainment." These people spend a lot of time on TikTok, and ride-hailing drivers waiting for orders on the side of the road are also scrolling through TikTok videos all the time.

On the one hand, people rely on short videos to pass the boring time, and on the other hand, they are also unconsciously contacting and discovering countless new brands every day.

And for these brands, whether they are local or foreign, what is behind the factories, supply chains and investors, it doesn't mean much to these broad viewing audiences - consumers are more concerned about what the brand stands for (whether it is decent or trendy), whether its sales methods are eye-catching, and most importantly, the price factor.

"When you're shopping in a live stream, there's usually a special price. Some streamers always encourage people to check in, and there are plenty of e-vouchers. Melina told the Xiaguang Society.

Locals have become more and more accustomed to this new form of shopping. While TikTok was really just for entertainment when I opened it, I found out in a live video that something was special and the price would only last for two hours, so I made an impulse purchase.

On March 27, 2024, Indonesia's TikTok e-commerce has completed the migration of its e-commerce system, fully merged with Tokopedia, and changed its name to ShopTokopedia.

As a result, Tokopedia fully manages the payments, user data, and merchant operations of the original TikTok Shop. This is the latest news about TikTok e-commerce after Indonesia's regulations restricting direct commodity transactions on social media platforms were promulgated last year.

In-depth dialogue: In Southeast Asia that you can't understand, is it more rational or more gambling?

In October last year, after TikTok e-commerce was restricted in Indonesia, many people believed that traffic would flow to traditional shelf e-commerce such as Shopee and Lazada to a certain extent.

But in fact, after the research and observation of Xiaguang Society, "the growth of other e-commerce platforms is actually not as much as people expected." Another big seller who is engaged in consumer brand management in Southeast Asia also said that after TikTok e-commerce in Indonesia has experienced such twists and turns, the current TikTok e-commerce does not seem to be much different from before (referring to the use and operation of sellers and buyers).

However, there are indeed sellers who have invested more in the early stage and say that they vaguely feel that "the traffic is not as good as before".

But now, for many new consumer brands that want to break into the Southeast Asian market, investing in content e-commerce on TikTok has become an important option.

"Not just in Indonesia, but globally, social media platforms such as Instagram and TikTok are fundamentally changing the way brands emerge and grow. The initial cost of brand testing is small, but the benefits can be high. Melina said.

In-depth dialogue: In Southeast Asia that you can't understand, is it more rational or more gambling?

"Although TikTok cuts from the social side, in general, the traditional shelf e-commerce is also okay, not so bad." Southeast Asian e-commerce sellers told Xiaguang Agency.

According to Melina Anlin, the development process of consumer brands in Southeast Asia can be observed in comparison with the US FMCG industry.

Melina Anlin previously worked for Bain & Company. Every year, Bain & Company publishes a list of emerging brands in the U.S. FMCG industry. In the current Southeast Asian market, many new consumer brands with similar characteristics to independent emerging brands in the United States can be observed.

But the difference is that "emerging brands in Southeast Asia are not true D2C brands like the United States." ”

Because the first step for new consumer brands in Southeast Asia is often third-party e-commerce platforms (whether content e-commerce or traditional shelf e-commerce), rather than direct contact with customers through brand official websites or independent stations like real D2C brands.

Behind this is a general lack of trust between consumers and businesses in Southeast Asian countries.

In-depth dialogue: In Southeast Asia that you can't understand, is it more rational or more gambling?

"If I place an order on an e-commerce platform such as Tokopedia, Shopee, Lazada and Bukalapak and the goods do not show up at my doorstep, I can go to the e-commerce platform to complain about a refund. But if I go directly to a brand's own channels, I can't even guarantee that they will answer my call. Melina Anlin explains the online shopping mindset of Southeast Asian consumers today.

In fact, this type of online shopping mindset is not unique in Southeast Asia. Even domestic online shopping habits have only developed more diversified shopping channels in recent years, and consumers have a new concept of "brand owned".

Similarly, in the marketing of consumer brands in Europe, America, Japan and other countries, common subscription services, email marketing communication methods, credit card payments, etc., are also facing "unsuitability" in the promotion of new consumer brands in Southeast Asia.

At this time, the value of content social platforms such as TikTok and Instagram for brand promotion is more prominent, especially TikTok, which has its own e-commerce system, has become the first choice for many new consumer brands in Southeast Asia to expand their markets.

Melina cites two emerging local consumer brands that AC Ventures has invested in: Simplus, a small home appliance brand, and Rosé All Day, a local beauty and skincare brand, both of which have achieved excellent sales growth and profitability in the Southeast Asian market.

In-depth dialogue: In Southeast Asia that you can't understand, is it more rational or more gambling?

In Southeast Asia, everyone has a common understanding: whether it is in Indonesia, Thailand or the Philippines, what you do well in one country is not guaranteed to be good in another Southeast Asian country.

The so-called market expansion involves the overall resource ratio, investment direction, the degree of adaptation of goods to local culture, and most importantly, whether there is an advantage in local resources.

Many new consumer brands entering the Southeast Asian market will choose Indonesia as their first stop for starting a business.

We have analyzed the Indonesian market in many articles before, "China's new energy vehicles, "killing" into Indonesia", "after throwing the pole rabbit, he said that "those who win Indonesia get Southeast Asia", the heaviest population, the extremely high proportion of young people, etc., are the key factors to promote consumption.

And in Indonesian culture, there is a large part of the culture of timely pleasure and advocating consumption. Young people like to spend money, like to try new products, and are very receptive to new brands, new product concepts and ideas, and new ways of shopping.

The Indonesian market has special characteristics in the whole of Southeast Asia:

Indonesia accounts for nearly 40% of Southeast Asia's GDP and is the most populous country in Southeast Asia, now approaching 280 million, with the country's middle class growing as the economy grows. One of the most important is that Indonesia's population is very young, likes to spend money, and has a strong spending power.

"Indonesia is actually a very consumption-driven economy, so we are very optimistic about the Indonesian market." Melina Anlin told Xiaguang, "It's very attractive in terms of structural market fundamentals. ”

In-depth dialogue: In Southeast Asia that you can't understand, is it more rational or more gambling?

—— If we look back in the past and compare Indonesia today with our more familiar consumer market in China, we will find that:

Around 2014, China's GDP per capita was $7,500, and more than 50 consumer companies were preparing for IPOs between 2014 and 2018. Indonesia's GDP per capita is now close to US$5,000 and is growing rapidly, and is expected to reach US$7,500-8,000 by 2030, which means that a significant number of new consumer brands and companies will be able to go public through the Indonesian market.

And now in 2024, it is a very opportune time to invest in Indonesian consumption as an early investor.

After Indonesia, the Philippines may be the second choice for many investors and entrepreneurs in Southeast Asia.

"Interestingly, if you look at Metro Manila, it's a very dense area, it's almost as dense as Jakarta, and it's actually even more dense." Melina Anlin said.

With a population of 110 million, the Philippines is about one-third the population of Indonesia and is the second largest country after Indonesia.

In fact, close to 10% of the Philippines' GDP comes from the diaspora, and many Filipinos work in wealthier countries overseas while still having very close ties to their home country, the Philippines, sending a lot of money back to the Philippines and actually increasing Filipinos' domestic spending power.

On the other hand, the Philippines is very much influenced by Western culture. They speak English, so new brands can be sold in English, and short videos for marketing can also be in English, so it's easy to get into the market.

However, at the same time, entrepreneurs of new consumer brands going overseas to Southeast Asia also need to bear in mind that "Southeast Asia" is not a unified overall market, but a market segment with great differences in various countries, so it is also necessary to make targeted localization and localized content marketing for different national markets.

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